John from Cincinnati Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 Weird TV matches in the faction war, finally! 5
Infinit Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 Super fun road trip with the crew to cap off a phenomenal week of pro wres! 11 1
Casey Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 Out in Omega country wearin’ a Punk shirt, my man. 1 2
Gordi the recovering AEW f Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Infinit said: Super fun road trip with the crew to cap off a phenomenal week of pro wres! The pictures are GREAT but I am sure I am not alone when I ask: Can we please get a couple of full-on Road Reports (including food & drinking & in this case baseball coverage) ? Edit: @HarryArchieGus Edited June 30, 2023 by Gordlow 4
The Natural Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, Gordlow said: The pictures are GREAT but I am sure I am not alone when I ask: Can we please get a couple of full-on Road Reports (including food & drinking & in this case baseball coverage) ? Seconded. Also Rounders beats Baseball . 1
Ace Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/27/2023 at 7:28 PM, Infinit said: So this happened tonight! So who is Orange Cassidy & TARO hiding?
Octopus Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Casey said: It’s Excalibur, isn’t it? Excalibur is like Medusa. But instead of turning someone to stone, he beats the shit out of Jimmy Havok. 4
Casey Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 It’s happening Billie Starkz just got her first AEW shirt. 3
Zakk_Sabbath Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Casey said: It’s happening Billie Starkz just got her first AEW shirt. Good for her, man. I really like what I've seen so far from her in the ring (and I recently saw her mother Tweet that Billie was valedictorian of her HS class, so she's obviously a bright kid to boot). It's interesting to consider that by the time she's 28, she'll have had 11 or 12 years under her belt - kinda typical for Joshi women, or someone like a Saraya born into it, but I think that's a kind of unique circumstance stateside, unless there's a glaring example I'm missing - Lita came to mind but she was like 20 or 21 on ECW TV, and Zelina was I think 20 already when she was Sarita on TNA TV. I know someone's gonna reply here with a name I haven't considered - but even so, very cool stuff.
Casey Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 As far as men go, TJP is a 25 year vet at this point. He started when he was 14, I believe. If you go beyond US borders, but to people who aren’t joshi talent or born into wrestling - Becky Lynch and Kevin Owens both started out at 15 or 16. 1 1
Dolphman 3000 Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) Mark Briscoe was 15 and Jay Briscoe was 16 when they debuted in 2000 - when they worked in Pennsylvania for CZW before they turned 18, they had to wear hoods as "The Midnight Outlawz" Edited June 30, 2023 by Dolphman 3000 2 1
Zakk_Sabbath Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 52 minutes ago, Casey said: As far as men go, TJP is a 25 year vet at this point. He started when he was 14, I believe. If you go beyond US borders, but to people who aren’t joshi talent or born into wrestling - Becky Lynch and Kevin Owens both started out at 15 or 16. Thanks, Casey - Becky's probably the closest answer, I should have been more specific in that I was trying to think of similarly aged women - my go to answer for men is always Rey, but great shout with TJP and KO (and same for @Dolphman 3000 with dem boyz)
odessasteps Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 You can find matches online of 15 year old Terry Gordy.
JLowe Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) Based on their Wikipedia dates, both Skye Blue and Julia Hart started training while either 17 or barely 18. More Wiki suggests that Dante Martin was 15 when he had his first match and Darius was 17. Edited June 30, 2023 by JLowe 1
elizium Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: Good for her, man. I really like what I've seen so far from her in the ring (and I recently saw her mother Tweet that Billie was valedictorian of her HS class, so she's obviously a bright kid to boot). It's interesting to consider that by the time she's 28, she'll have had 11 or 12 years under her belt - kinda typical for Joshi women, or someone like a Saraya born into it, but I think that's a kind of unique circumstance stateside, unless there's a glaring example I'm missing - Lita came to mind but she was like 20 or 21 on ECW TV, and Zelina was I think 20 already when she was Sarita on TNA TV. I know someone's gonna reply here with a name I haven't considered - but even so, very cool stuff. 15 years by the time she's 28, she started at 13, pretty much has wrestled full time since 14. 1 1
elizium Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 46 minutes ago, odessasteps said: You can find matches online of 15 year old Terry Gordy. Isn't Gordy 14 in the Ernie Ladd match that showed up online in the last couple years? 1
Dolphman 3000 Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) Jeff Hardy was 16 years old and lied about his age in order to get used as a WWE job guy in 1994: Edited July 1, 2023 by Dolphman 3000 2
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 Where I am in my 1994 rewatch, I just saw that match a few weeks back. That match with Razor on Raw was one of the strangest things you will see. I dunno if they edited it in a crazy way cause apparently Scott took liberties, but it's something that probably should have never made air. I think Scott got frustrated and just started to beat the shit out of him. In the middle of the match, Scott and the ref are having a conversation while Jeff is down. It's like Jeff is having a panic attack mid match, and they are confused as to what to do. Then, they just keep going and it's pretty awful. I am in the set of TV taping cycles between Raw/Superstars/Challenges where it's clear Italian Stallion is bringing all his guys down cause his ass is also all over these shows. Some of his guys aren't very TV ready. Jeff sort of redeems himself with a match he had on Superstars with 1-2-3 Kid that aired a couple weeks later. Matt is totally fine cause he literally get his ass whooped for 99% of the match. 1
Zakk_Sabbath Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said: Where I am in my 1994 rewatch, I just saw that match a few weeks back. That match with Razor on Raw was one of the strangest things you will see. I dunno if they edited it in a crazy way cause apparently Scott took liberties, but it's something that probably should have never made air. I think Scott got frustrated and just started to beat the shit out of him. In the middle of the match, Scott and the ref are having a conversation while Jeff is down. It's like Jeff is having a panic attack mid match, and they are confused as to what to do. Then, they just keep going and it's pretty awful. I am in the set of TV taping cycles between Raw/Superstars/Challenges where it's clear Italian Stallion is bringing all his guys down cause his ass is also all over these shows. Some of his guys aren't very TV ready. Jeff sort of redeems himself with a match he had on Superstars with 1-2-3 Kid that aired a couple weeks later. Matt is totally fine cause he literally gets his ass whooped for 99% of the match. Yeah I did that same rewatch when the Network first came out, and I remember neon green tights Matt being pretty inoffensive as 'local talent', but I cannot for the life of me remember this Jeff match for some reason, either in 2014 or as a kid. I have to watch this over the weekend.
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said: Where I am in my 1994 rewatch, I just saw that match a few weeks back. That match with Razor on Raw was one of the strangest things you will see. I dunno if they edited it in a crazy way cause apparently Scott took liberties, but it's something that probably should have never made air. I think Scott got frustrated and just started to beat the shit out of him. In the middle of the match, Scott and the ref are having a conversation while Jeff is down. It's like Jeff is having a panic attack mid match, and they are confused as to what to do. Then, they just keep going and it's pretty awful. I am in the set of TV taping cycles between Raw/Superstars/Challenges where it's clear Italian Stallion is bringing all his guys down cause his ass is also all over these shows. Some of his guys aren't very TV ready. Jeff sort of redeems himself with a match he had on Superstars with 1-2-3 Kid that aired a couple weeks later. Matt is totally fine cause he literally get his ass whooped for 99% of the match. I just watched it. I think it was a matter of Jeff being nervous since it was his first TV match and falling into the trap a lot of folks fall into when they're doing jobs, meaning laying around selling instead of throwing some weak punches or trying to fire up at least in some way. It was a lot more common when you have folks who had no training - and in 1994, Jeff was basically an elevated backyarder, so it makes sense that he didn't have much of an idea of what to do, and it's not like Razor was going to call anything for him in a squash. Going up against 1-2-3 Kid the next day makes a lot more sense that it'd be more competitive looking because Kid had worked people at Jeff's experience level in the years prior on indies. 3
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 14 hours ago, Sparkleface said: I just watched it. I think it was a matter of Jeff being nervous since it was his first TV match and falling into the trap a lot of folks fall into when they're doing jobs, meaning laying around selling instead of throwing some weak punches or trying to fire up at least in some way. It was a lot more common when you have folks who had no training - and in 1994, Jeff was basically an elevated backyarder, so it makes sense that he didn't have much of an idea of what to do, and it's not like Razor was going to call anything for him in a squash. Going up against 1-2-3 Kid the next day makes a lot more sense that it'd be more competitive looking because Kid had worked people at Jeff's experience level in the years prior on indies. You're likely right. At this point, Razor had his enhancement match down to a science. Lockup, hiptoss, Fallaway slam aka the sack of shit, maybe chops in the corner, long abdominal stretch or an STF, slaps you around for a bit, super backdrop suplex, and then the Razor's Edge. Now if you completely sucked or didn't trust he could lift you, the finish was the backdrop suplex off the top. However, sometimes, he would give the business to the enhancement talent and drag it out. Jarrett and maybe Bigelow for some odd reason are the only ones outside of Kid like you mention who will give just random guys offense. Now juxtapose that with WCW. I just got to a point in WCW where they stopped allowing the guys being brought in for enhancement matches to go damn near 50-50 with the contracted talent. Scott Studd (bka Scotty Riggs) gave a good account of himself in a match with Steve Austin, but there was no reason for him to be doing the same with the likes of Pez Whatley or Brady Boone. Poor Pez ain't the same worker as he was in years past, and poor Brady Boone is a botch machine. If they can't hide all your botches on a taped show, I don't know if you're cut out to be in the ring with upper tier talent. 1
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