Craig H Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Ok, I never played KoC I or II; however, I will vouch for All Stars. That game didn't get its due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 KOC II is pretty hard to play nowadays. It's really, really mechanical. All Stars is a lot of fun but with slider tweaks to tone down the BS reversals, I'd say 2K14 is a better, more complete package. Still not a great game when you take into account how many years as they've been producing the same thing over and over and the resources they've had. Good, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKash202 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 KOC II is pretty hard to play nowadays. It's really, really mechanical. All Stars is a lot of fun but with slider tweaks to tone down the BS reversals, I'd say 2K14 is a better, more complete package. Still not a great game when you take into account how many years as they've been producing the same thing over and over and the resources they've had. Good, though. KOC is mechanical yes but that game FEELS like wrestling man. I was playing that game last week and I don't think it will feel dated even after playing 2K14. But I just downloaded a 2013 G1 Climax roster pack from HBOSS. The thing I can't stand about 2K14 is that this is probably the only "sports" game that doesn't have specific computer logic for each athlete. I mean it is 2013. Why do all CPU used wrestlers have the same agenda? That is unacceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Agreed. Computer AI is really lacking in the Yukes games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 How do you get the CAW's if you play on PS3? Dumb/lazy question I know...More specifically, if you go to the online mode through the game itself, there's a section called "Community Creations" where you can download a ton of CAWs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalez Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 KOC II is pretty hard to play nowadays. It's really, really mechanical. I don't find KOC II to be hard at all(Maybe the front suplex timing can be a bitch, but it's still pretty easy). While I don't find 2K14's controls to be hard, I do find them to be confusing, and don't find them to be user friendly. Signature moves can fucking suck a dick. Why the fuck would you give the user such a small window to perform a wrestlers signature move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKash202 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 And there are moves that are in Virtual Pro Wrestling ONE, that aren't in this game. That is unacceptable as well. I wonder if this series suffers from not having any supreme wrestling heads in the trenches because some things this game lacks is head scratching. But I am creating a lot of moves if anyone is interested. GT: DCAllAmerican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bey Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGFanJay Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Wrestle Kingdom 1 and 2 on the PS2 are pretty easy to get into. I could never get into KoC, but I love Firepro. All Stars is basically the TNA Impact game with WWE guys and an NBA Jam mentality - they even kept in Hernandez's post-match posing - only now it's for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 While I'm not going to judge you guys that love the KoC, firepro was always my engine of choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirFozzie Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 First thing I do when I get the Outsiders is to get the NWO theme (and the WolfPac theme) on my PS3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Might want to listen to Hollywood Hogan's theme first brah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I said it earlier and I'll say it again... I'm hopeful that when 2K acquired the WWE license, they had a separate (non-Yukes) development team start building a game from scratch for the next gen systems to come out in Fall 2014 and basically just using the carryovers to put out an updated game for this year. I'm guessing 2K didn't go down this road but it'd be awesome and exciting if they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 That game would suck balls. No one out there wants to spend the time learning to make a wrestling game because it's such a niche product and if the WWE logo isn't attached, then no one is going to give a shit. I'm not sure why people still don't understand that. There are plenty of people in the gaming biz that like wrestling, anyone who has an interest in making a wrestling game already works for Yukes. The best you could ever hope for is that some Japanese company makes a rad as fucking hell wrestling game, and then 2K says, "Hey, that looks cool, re-skin that shit." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalez Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 While I'm not going to judge you guys that love the KoC, firepro was always my engine of choice I can't see why anyone would go back to playing Fire Pro, after playing KOC II. Sure the running, and walking animations haven't aged well. But everything is (almost)perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKash202 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I love Fire Pro and KOC, but lets get back on topic fellas. Whoever did the movesets for these wrestlers need to get shot! Why do so many people have the OMG Moment of the DDT on to the apron? This game just moves TOO fast. It bothers me how quickly someone bounces up to the turnbuckle. Horribly animated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Territorial Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I never quite loved KOC II. I actually like its PS1 forerunner, King's Soul, more. It always felt stiff and robotic to me. I love playing old school matches with a lot of submissions and mat wrestling (Inoki vs. Minoru Suzuki is a lot of fun), but, say, Takayama vs. Akiyama doesn't feel right to me. Fire Pro hasn't aged well for me. Love the engine and the depth, but FIre Pro Returns strikes me as sort of a lazy effort, personality logic aside. I still enjoy creating edits with FPR, but playing & simming has lost some appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 KOC is shit for lucha and lucharesu action and firepro is great for it, which is why I could go back. I couldn't care less about recreating Japanese heavyweight style matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bey Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonr4s Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Chickenwing! They may have done a better job with the NWO than any other part of the game. Hall and Nash have their attires and music from Bash at the Beach '96...fucking awesome. I'm gonna put all kinds of guys in the NWO in Universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKash202 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Highest rated wrestlers in our rosters. Andre: 88 Bret: 87 Retro HBK: 85 92 WWF Flair: 81 Retro Rock: 81 Rock: 80 2000s HBK: 80 Brock: 79 Cena: 79 Retro Taker: 78 Biker Taker: 78 Stone Cold: 77 Hogan: 75 Steamboard: 74 Undertaker: 74 Edge: 73 Retro Jericho: 71 Guerrero: 71 Brock: 70 Hollywood Hogan: 70 Mic Foley: 70 Much like our NBA 2K ratings, ratings are low compared to default ratings. Do not just look at overall. People have different skills. The more well-rounded wrestlers in WWF history are up near the top. Andre is so high because he is the immovable object and we practically maxed out (relatively speaking) his hit points. Will practically be impossible to score a win over him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Well. Retro Taker is clearly hugely underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKash202 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Bret is probably the most well rounded wrestler in the history of the WWE. We tried to make that replicated in the game. We boosted Andre's hit points to make it practically impossible to do anything against him. We moved his weight to Ultra Heavyweight and moved his hit points to an exclusive level. He is close to 200+ hit points overall. Well remember, do not JUST look at the overall rating. HBK and Bret are more well rounded than most so that is why they are high. Retro Taker took a hit because of his low ratings in Jumping, Agility, Submission (Badd Ass Version has high submission ratings), And I don't consider the ratings to be out of whack. I consider most of the wrestlers on the default rosters being overreated. So we are so used to seeing high overall values because that is what they ship to us, so we consider that normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bey Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Point Stance Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 That Hennig model is dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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