2023 Puroresu General Discussion

[dragonzombie]

Maybe Kojima could lose, in NJPW he is less important there than he was previously in NOAH and his current run in AJPW.  

Looking at Cagematch, Nagata and Kojima both been mostly wrestling in AJPW and not NJPW.  That's interesting. 

 

[dragonzombie]

Yuji Okabayashi is taking an indefinite leave of absence from July to onwards. It was his dream to retire at 40 but now what he will do is rest.

Edited June 7, 2023 by 赤い竜

[dragonzombie]

GLEAT 

Voodoo Murders won the tags.

Cima announced GLEAT Ver. MEGA at Sumo Hall, on Aug 4th.

Takanori Ito won the lidet UWF Championship.

Unagi was attacked by former GLEAT Wrestler Miyagi.

Purolove has the rest of the info.

[dragonzombie]

From Tokyo Sports 

From Yahoo

I will post the new Lidet UWF belt later. It's funky like the rest of GLEAT's belts.

[Control]

Maybe Bulk Orchestra will invade AJPW to get revenge. I’d be ok with that.

[dragonzombie]

Suwama was rejected by Evolution but he is on and for the upcoming male AJPW Evolution 5 show for 7.8. He declared himself for the upcoming July 8 show on June the 3rd, few days ago.  AJPW announced the show on June the fifth.

https://news.goo.ne.jp/article/gsj/sports/gsj-20230605001.html

 

[dragonzombie]

Strong Style Pro Wrestling

Soon new martial art invented by Tiger Mask. Mixed Martial Art of striking. And new gloves.

Dark Unagi

Edited June 8, 2023 by 赤い竜

[dragonzombie]

All Together Again Press Conference from NOAH

 

[dragonzombie]

Match change

[The Natural]

All Together Again spoiler:

Spoiler

Prick Okada rocks.

Speaking of pricks, what a dick:

 

Edited June 9, 2023 by The Natural

[dragonzombie]

All Together Again

6,569 Fans.

Shota Umino vs Yoshitatsu was short.

Okada was in his Viciousness mode, part of old Strong Style. 

Spoiler

Post match Okada closed the show with Inoki's chant 1, 2, 3, Da! and was in the ring with Inoki's grandsons and the fighters and players.
 

 

[lostinube]

The J5G/LIJ elimination match was over the top rules but in essence was a way to get a DOUKI/Tsuji main event. Since J5G lost no pointing time.

 

[dragonzombie]

Suwama is back in Evolution again. So it's a real unit again, with associate  Nagata.

Edited June 11, 2023 by 赤い竜

[dragonzombie]

The AJPW World tag match will happen in AJPW instead and at Korakuen Hall on the 15th. So Kenoh and Soya (c) vs Kento and Yuma. 

Edited June 11, 2023 by 赤い竜

[Brandon Bones]

“A HUSH comes over the crowd… with Yoshitatsu on offense.” - Kevin Kelly during the match with Shooter.

I admit I laughed.  But I wonder how much piss and vinegar was actually applied there.  So I’ll give the benefit of the doubt.  But it’s not a great look to be “All Together” and have your commentary team (no matter how backhandedly) burying your partners.  
 

Then again Yoshitatsu does kinda suck.  

Edited June 12, 2023 by Brandon Bones

[Control]

Big Dog Shuji Ishikawa is celebrating 20 years of wrestling this with a couple of special matches:

Shuji Ishikawa 20th Anniversary Match: Shuji Ishikawa, Kohei Sato & Ren Ayabe vs. Jun Saito, Rei Saito & KONO 

-this is the “All Tall Boys” match. Everyone is at least 6’4”!

Shuji Ishikawa 20th Anniversary Match 2nd: Shuji Ishikawa & Suwama vs. Daisuke Sekimoto  & Yuji Okabayashi  

-this is more of a classic matchup. 

[dragonzombie]

For the World Tags of AJPW

[dragonzombie]

With Tajiri gone from AJPW, Tajiri's plan to bring in more non-Natives was dropped. So anyways saving money and reducing the budgets is good.

 

[The Natural]

https://twitter.com/PuroresuFlow/status/1668339965535862784

NSFW.

[The Natural]

The late great Mitsuharu Misawa.

[Salads]

On 6/12/2023 at 12:57 PM, Brandon Bones said:

“A HUSH comes over the crowd… with Yoshitatsu on offense.” - Kevin Kelly during the match with Shooter.

I admit I laughed.  But I wonder how much piss and vinegar was actually applied there.  So I’ll give the benefit of the doubt.  But it’s not a great look to be “All Together” and have your commentary team (no matter how backhandedly) burying your partners.  
 

Then again Yoshitatsu does kinda suck.  

Haven't seen All Together but Kevin has done the same with New Japan talents like Yujiro in the past. So if there was company bias throughout the show then ignore me but otherwise could be mainly a) our audience are smart enough that if we put over certain talents it hurts our credibility more than it helps the talent with a sprinkling of b) it's ok for one or two names on a roster to suck, and sometimes sucking is a better gimmick than anything else they have going for them.

Edited June 14, 2023 by Salads

[Brandon Bones]

4 hours ago, Salads said:

Haven't seen All Together but Kevin has done the same with New Japan talents like Yujiro in the past. So if there was company bias throughout the show then ignore me but otherwise could be mainly a) our audience are smart enough that if we put over certain talents it hurts our credibility more than it helps the talent with a sprinkling of b) it's ok for one or two names on a roster to suck, and sometimes sucking is a better gimmick than anything else they have going for them.

Fair point.  I didn’t get a chance to watch the entire show to see if there was some further context.  Because I do like the team of Kelly and Carlton.

That being said.  I’d be surprised if Yujiro’s grandma wouldn’t bury him on commentary too.

[Salads]

Thinking about it Yoshitatsu and Yujiro are contenders for the worst NJ dojo graduates that went on to have a full career. Yoshi had that one good run before he left for WWE so maybe that disqualifies him, and I can't remember much about No Limit. I want to say Kenzo Suzuki subs in but am probably forgetting someone more qualified.

DVDVR could possibly be the place to have a kind of inverse March Madness to find the worst wrestler in a given criteria. To prevent it getting too neggy the only way to argue in favour of wrestler A getting to the next round would be to big up wrestler B's redeeming qualities and obscure career highlights. Put that WCW C-show deep cut spirit to use giving love to the loveless while the threads about the 30 awesome matches on free TV each week look on exasperated.

[Horangi]

RE: Kevin Kelly & Chris Charlton burying guys - They do this quite a bit with House of Torture in particular (EVIL & Yujiro in particular, SHO they do play off that he's so capable but has gone down the wrong path) which is very much understandable, but I do think they can take it a bit too far at times. Specifically until this year's Super Junior they've been extremely harsh on Master Wato, who initially was the drizzling shits but sneakily started improving in 2022 yet they'd constantly bury him at nearly every opportunity. Sometimes I think they try to push online sentiment too much...

RE: Worst NJ dojo graduates - Mitsuhide Hirasawa (Captain New Japan/BONE SOLDIER) is the first to come to mind. Outside the one amazing Nagata carry job, Tadao Yasuda was terrible too. Michiyoshi Ohara is another that comes to mind too that was just as bad as Yoshitatsu/Yujiro/Kenzo. There are a fair few of those 80s/90s dojo guys that maybe someone that has seen more can judge better than I too that could go on the list (i.e. Shunji Takano, Fumihiro Niikura, Shinichi Nakano)

 

[Stefanie Sparkleface]

1 hour ago, Horangi said:

RE: Worst NJ dojo graduates - Mitsuhide Hirasawa (Captain New Japan/BONE SOLDIER) is the first to come to mind. Outside the one amazing Nagata carry job, Tadao Yasuda was terrible too. Michiyoshi Ohara is another that comes to mind too that was just as bad as Yoshitatsu/Yujiro/Kenzo. There are a fair few of those 80s/90s dojo guys that maybe someone that has seen more can judge better than I too that could go on the list (i.e. Shunji Takano, Fumihiro Niikura, Shinichi Nakano)

 

Hiroshi Nagao (or "the guy who debuted in a tag team title contendership tournament teaming with Takayama because his gimmick was that he was tall and immediately broke his ankle jumping over the top rope entering the ring") is forever my #1.