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4 hours ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said:

I just started on Succession and trying to catch up before s4 starts.

Finished all of S1 last night. 

It gets better right?

Boo this man until his ears are bleeding.

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6 hours ago, Craig H said:

Well. That was an uncharacteristically brutal season premiere of Ted Lasso.

Idk I thought it did a good job of setting up where they are going with everything. The jokes didn't all land, but I thought everything else was fine.

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On 3/13/2023 at 5:12 PM, Casey said:

Boo this man until his ears are bleeding.

I've watched 24 hours of this show and literally nothing has happened from a story point of view. They're all in the same spot they're in from the first episode, give or take a drug relapse.

The cast is probably 1 to 2 main characters too many, and as a result the majority of them are unnecessarily one-note characters and no-one has really grown in any meaningful way, aside from Cousin Greg. There's two absolute all-time episodes (the dinner party and the s2 finale), the rest is just OK to good. 

It's good in the sense that it's yet to have a truly bad episode, but also, I'd rather a show like Billions that will have a terrible season, but at least it goes somewhere. This is the slowest of slow burns.

 

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28 minutes ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said:

I've watched 24 hours of this show and literally nothing has happened from a story point of view. They're all in the same spot they're in from the first episode, give or take a drug relapse.

The cast is probably 1 to 2 main characters too many, and as a result the majority of them are unnecessarily one-note characters and no-one has really grown in any meaningful way, aside from Cousin Greg. There's two absolute all-time episodes (the dinner party and the s2 finale), the rest is just OK to good. 

It's good in the sense that it's yet to have a truly bad episode, but also, I'd rather a show like Billions that will have a terrible season, but at least it goes somewhere. This is the slowest of slow burns.

 

I’ve liked Succession since the first episode, but, yeah, it fell into a pattern very quickly.  Characters don’t so much evolve as just get shuffled around.  Someone plays the heel for awhile, someone plays the dupe, someone plays at being smarter than the rest.  Then, when that runs its course, the cast plays musical chairs and someone else gets to be the smart one, someone new becomes the dupe, that character you didn’t expect to turn on the rest of them turns on the rest of them, etc.

i feel like the show has fallen into that trap shows like the Black List fall into into that it tries too hard to keep viewers guessing and runs through a decade of plot twists very quickly, burning viewers out too soon.

Still eagerly awaiting season four, though.  Mostly relieved there will not be a season five.

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The other thing that annoys me is that it's never really highlighted one way or another why Logan Roy is this all-powerful and feared man. Either you see that, yeah, at some point or another, this guy had amazing instincts, was ahead of his time in his thinking, or was just completely ruthless, or you go the path of the Wizard of Oz and he's all just smoke and mirrors.

While I think they allude to the latter a bit, there are enough smart and powerful characters in the show that appear rightfully wary of him without ever showing why.

He's basically this guy:

But, Marge, that little guy hasn't done anything yet. Look at him. He's  going to do something and you know it's going to be good. : r/TheSimpsons

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I think one of the keys to Succession is remembering that it's a comedy. It's an hour long and it looks like a drama, but it's a comedy.

One of the things that appeals to be about it is that the characters don't really change. They (the Roy kids) have one goal: get daddy's approval. That's it. They all go about it in different ways, fail in their own ways, but that's always the goal. They're all obsessed with having the kind of power Logan has without understanding at all what it takes to do that.

I personally think they've done a good job showing why Logan is viewed the way he is. The first season was seeing him slip, but by current episodes, he's back to form.

I'm also glad they're wrapping up. The one thing that was starting to get to me was that there are only so many times you can do Kendall vs. Logan without it getting stale. I'm pretty confident in them sticking the landing since the creators have made it their choice to do so.

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On 3/15/2023 at 2:21 PM, RIPPA said:

I can't remember if was talked about in this thread or somewhere else but Willow will not be getting a second season

YAY! 

I mean....

That's too bad...

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27 minutes ago, Kuetsar said:

Started watching hill Street blues on Hulu, and it holds up pretty well.  Most of the stuff I've seen so far(4 episodes in) makes it feel like it was produced today.

I remember getting freaked out and scared during an episode of Hill Street Blues when I was like 12-13. The one where the two patrol guys get ambushed and shot. I was a kid, but I had already gotten to a place where I was disconnected from some TV and could react accordingly. But that fucked me up.

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23 minutes ago, John from Cincinnati said:

HBO's brand is built on the foundation of a character who spent years in therapy and refused to grow in any significant way. Lack of character growth isn't necessarily the knock people think it is if the story is compelling and the characters feel true to themselves. 

Wondering if this applies to Seth Bullock and/or Al Swearengen?

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Bullock & Swearengen do change over the course of DEADWOOD. Even by the end of the first season (which I’m rewatching right now), they’re changing—not so much in who they are on a fundamental level, but in terms of how they’re willing to modify how they relate to other people in order to build a community in the camp. It’s what the whole show’s about!

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6 hours ago, EVA said:

Why did nobody warn me that YELLOWSTONE spin-off 1923 is basically torture porn?

Yeesh.

Bit too violent for you? If you don't like violence then I'd suggest you stay way from Sheridan's other show Mayor of Kingstown.

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4 hours ago, EVA said:

Bullock & Swearengen do change over the course of DEADWOOD. Even by the end of the first season (which I’m rewatching right now), they’re changing—not so much in who they are on a fundamental level, but in terms of how they’re willing to modify how they relate to other people in order to build a community in the camp. It’s what the whole show’s about!

And by the movie, Bullock is no longer a volcano actively erupting or ready to erupt. He's mellowed out a lot.

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12 hours ago, driver said:

Bit too violent for you? If you don't like violence then I'd suggest you stay way from Sheridan's other show Mayor of Kingstown.

It’s not the violence so much as the cruelty. Like, did we need 4 full episodes of Teonna being brutally physically and sexually abused by the Catholic clergy, when the general point that “the Indian boarding schools were very bad” was well made after two episodes, at the most? And the way the camera lingers on her injuries is almost pornographic at times.

But at least that’s somewhat relevant to the story. It goes somewhere, even if that somewhere is a fairly juvenile revenge fantasy—Tarantino without the style or wit.

What’s more difficult to reconcile is what the hell is going on with Timothy Dalton and the prostitutes by the end of the season. More lengthy torture fetish scenes that didn’t tell us anything new about that character. We already knew he was a bad guy who would pit people against each other for his own pleasure! It was not exactly subtext! We didn’t need two episodes of him violently degrading women to clarify that point.

The psychodynamics of how Sheridan portrays violence against women vs. violence against men is fascinating to me. 1923 is by far the most explicit so far, but you can even see it on mainline YELLOWSTONE: The men almost always bounce back quickly from their injuries/losses with no discernible signs of damage, keep pushing forward, while the women are always left physically scarred and/or suffer mental breakdowns or attempt suicide because of the violence that befalls them.

I mean, it’s almost a running joke at this point (I mean, if it were funny at all) that Beth Dutton collects a new disfigurement every season.

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9 hours ago, EVA said:

It’s not the violence so much as the cruelty. Like, did we need 4 full episodes of Teonna being brutally physically and sexually abused by the Catholic clergy, when the general point that “the Indian boarding schools were very bad” was well made after two episodes, at the most? And the way the camera lingers on her injuries is almost pornographic at times.

But at least that’s somewhat relevant to the story. It goes somewhere, even if that somewhere is a fairly juvenile revenge fantasy—Tarantino without the style or wit.

What’s more difficult to reconcile is what the hell is going on with Timothy Dalton and the prostitutes by the end of the season. More lengthy torture fetish scenes that didn’t tell us anything new about that character. We already knew he was a bad guy who would pit people against each other for his own pleasure! It was not exactly subtext! We didn’t need two episodes of him violently degrading women to clarify that point.

The psychodynamics of how Sheridan portrays violence against women vs. violence against men is fascinating to me. 1923 is by far the most explicit so far, but you can even see it on mainline YELLOWSTONE: The men almost always bounce back quickly from their injuries/losses with no discernible signs of damage, keep pushing forward, while the women are always left physically scarred and/or suffer mental breakdowns or attempt suicide because of the violence that befalls them.

I mean, it’s almost a running joke at this point (I mean, if it were funny at all) that Beth Dutton collects a new disfigurement every season.

Gotcha. Maybe the theme of cruelty is what links Dalton and the school. The beating scene with the prostitutes really highlights his sadism and the joy he derives from it.

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Peacock and Sky are doing a "reimagining" of The Day of the Jackal starring Eddie Redmayne

It will be a minimum a limited series hence why I am putting it here

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