November 2022 Wrestling Discussion

[The Great ML]

I’m done with both for the time being…lost goodwill is right. I bought the PPVs to support AEW now I don’t bother to watch.

[GuerrillaMonsoon]

Slowly increasing an interest in what HHH is doing after not watching for the past 3 years.

Slowly declining on AEW. This week was the first time I've been home to watch Dynamite live and chose to watch something else. A show full of Jeff Jarrett, Jay Lethal, Ethan Page and Penta does nothing for me.

[Just Adam Bay Bay]

2 hours ago, Dolphman 3000 said:

Comps, bruh - even AEW at this point has seat fillers at every televised event

Paid bruh. I checked Ticketmaster thirty minutes before I left (so an hour and a half before the show) and there were only ten seats left in my section and they all sold. 

Plus using your logic you’re claiming they had over 4,000 seat fillers and nobody does that.

[Dolphman 3000]

4 minutes ago, LF2 said:

Paid bruh. I checked Ticketmaster thirty minutes before I left (so an hour and a half before the show) and there were only ten seats left in my section and they all sold.

Comps are distributed ahead of time - you won't be able to see on Ticketmaster what seats are sold and which were comped

And the hard camera side wasn't tarped off for a RAW in 2022?

[notoriusvig]

It would be extremely disappointing if Tony does business with Punk again, and I'd be super shocked and upset if he was on the show tomorrow. I'm done with the guy and I have a bad taste in my mouth from the guy. Give his spot to someone else.

I still enjoy AEW a lot, and the workrate is superb, IMO. I watch Rampage and Dynamite live and FF through Dark and Elevation when I get time. Tony has his issues as a booker but who doesn't, booking 104 shows a year for TV. Things won't be perfect and he's probably burning out. WWE does nothing for me but I recognize it's gotten slightly better since Vince left but that is a given.

[GuerrillaMonsoon]

I mean, yeah, he probably shouldn't do business with Punk again, but if its that or Ethan Page being the least interesting version of Shawn Spears, well I'll take it.

[Infinit]

2 hours ago, LF2 said:

Paid bruh. I checked Ticketmaster thirty minutes before I left (so an hour and a half before the show) and there were only ten seats left in my section and they all sold. 

Plus using your logic you’re claiming they had over 4,000 seat fillers and nobody does that.

Which show did you attend?

[Dolphman 3000]

Local ‘deathmatch’ wrestler jailed after drugs were found, police report

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HUNTINGDON COUNTY, Pa. (WTAJ)– A local independent wrestler is behind bars after state police said they found over 20 grams of drugs in a vehicle.

On Thursday, Barry Leach, 59, and Brandon Graver, most notably known as wrestling superstar G-Raver, were both found slouched inside a car along Hares Valley Road, state police in Huntingdon County said.

According to troopers, Graver was found ‘nodding off’ in the driver seat of a 2007 Chevy Equinox and admitted that he even snorted 10 bags of heroin. After he was given Narcan, he was taken into custody and police found meth in his pants pocket.

When Leach, who was sitting in the passenger seat, also got out of the car police saw possible heroin in baggies on the seat and took him into custody after finding paraphernalia on him.

Graver was taken to the hospital for a blood draw, and the car was taken back to the police station to be searched. Police found over 25 grams of possible meth, marijuana, other heroin packets, shrooms, Alprazolam along with paraphernalia and $181 cash.

Graver and Leach both face felony manufacture, deliver, or possession with intent to manufacture or deliver, along with other misdemeanor charges.

The pair are currently lodged in Huntingdon County Prison with bail set for Leach listed at $50,000 and Graver at $75,000. A preliminary hearing is scheduled for Nov. 30.

Edited November 19, 2022 by Dolphman 3000

[The Natural]

6 hours ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said:

Slowly increasing an interest in what HHH is doing after not watching for the past 3 years.

Slowly declining on AEW. This week was the first time I've been home to watch Dynamite live and chose to watch something else. A show full of Jeff Jarrett, Jay Lethal, Ethan Page and Penta does nothing for me.

I've sporadically watched WWE past three years. You can tell the difference since Triple H has taken over. The secondary titles particularly. Those mean something again. The Bloodline is great.

I still like my AEW but this is the worst booked its ever been. The wrestling in the ring has mostly overcome it. 100% with you on those names especially Jarrett, Lethal and Pentagon. Ugh.

Edited November 19, 2022 by The Natural

[Elsalvajeloco]

6 hours ago, notoriusvig said:

It would be extremely disappointing if Tony does business with Punk again, and I'd be super shocked and upset if he was on the show tomorrow. I'm done with the guy and I have a bad taste in my mouth from the guy. Give his spot to someone else.

I still enjoy AEW a lot, and the workrate is superb, IMO. I watch Rampage and Dynamite live and FF through Dark and Elevation when I get time. Tony has his issues as a booker but who doesn't, booking 104 shows a year for TV. Things won't be perfect and he's probably burning out. WWE does nothing for me but I recognize it's gotten slightly better since Vince left but that is a given.

Punk is in Tunica, MS (about an hour and half drive from my hometown) getting roasted by of all people John Morgan, who seems to be emboldened enough to do it cause Punk already officially lost a fight to another MMA journalist.

[GuerrillaMonsoon]

If I'm being fair to them, everything they've built up in the past few months has fallen in a heap.

MJF/Punk, Kenny vs Cole, Christian vs Jungle Boy, Andrade vs 10, Page/Young Bucks Reunion, Miro/House of Black, Rosa/Toni, injuries and suspensions have prevented BCC/JAS/Kingston crew storylines from being finalized.

If thats your PPV tomorrow, take my money. Instead its this weird thing they've cobbled together on the fly for better or worse.

[Just Adam Bay Bay]

14 hours ago, Dolphman 3000 said:

Comps are distributed ahead of time - you won't be able to see on Ticketmaster what seats are sold and which were comped

And the hard camera side wasn't tarped off for a RAW in 2022?

I know how they distribute comps. I meant all the tickets that were listed as remaining that day ended up sold or filled by show time. Which considering the crowd when I got to the arena I’m guessing the line went around the building and into part of the parking lot.

No the hard came side (surprisingly) wasn’t taped off. Just a little bit of the upper deck. 

[Just Adam Bay Bay]

11 hours ago, Infinit said:

Which show did you attend?

Wilkes-Barre November 7th. It was the third tv show I’d attended this year, and it was at least 90-95% sold. Actually the Smackdown I attended there back in May was too. The only 100% sellout I’ve been to this year was Smackdown in Hershey with Brock appearing. 

[Pedro]

13 hours ago, Dolphman 3000 said:

Local ‘deathmatch’ wrestler jailed after drugs were found, police report

Brandon is an oddball.  He was one of the guy's Cornette had an issue with because Raver was selling t-shirts mocking Jim.   

[Pedro]

5 hours ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said:

If I'm being fair to them, everything they've built up in the past few months has fallen in a heap.

MJF/Punk, Kenny vs Cole, Christian vs Jungle Boy, Andrade vs 10, Page/Young Bucks Reunion, Miro/House of Black, Rosa/Toni, injuries and suspensions have prevented BCC/JAS/Kingston crew storylines from being finalized.

If thats your PPV tomorrow, take my money. Instead its this weird thing they've cobbled together on the fly for better or worse.

I'm trying to come up with an ending to this show that would make people want to tune in Wed and see what's next.  Surely the answer is Big Cass or Ethan Page

[Pedro]

If you haven't seen the video from UFC Fight Pass of Punk doing commentary last night, the Scrum was brought up in a comical way.  Funny Punk mentioned it on TV before AEW did. 

[Infinit]

2 hours ago, LF2 said:

Wilkes-Barre November 7th. It was the third tv show I’d attended this year, and it was at least 90-95% sold. Actually the Smackdown I attended there back in May was too. The only 100% sellout I’ve been to this year was Smackdown in Hershey with Brock appearing. 

This is probably where they got the ticket from. Usually they are pretty accurate.

So you were 100% spot on regarding it being a 95% sellout but a little off on ticket sales. 

[Niners Fan in CT]

7 hours ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said:

If thats your PPV tomorrow, take my money. Instead its this weird thing they've cobbled together on the fly for better or worse.

I get that part of it but let's look at a few things here..  

When BCC was formed with Moxley and Bryan it had buzz but what did they actually do with it? War Games "Blood and Guts" was the only memorable thing i can think of out of the whole alliance. Jericho's crew sucks..  Hager sucks. Guevara sucks. Jericho himself is stale. Danny Garcia is boring as hell. They had the BCC feuding with these dopes for months. Completely killed the buzz. 

Ricky Starks and Powerhouse Hobbs had some buzz but then you don't see them on TV for weeks at a time. 

Same thing with Wardlow. He had some buzz, but why do they have him fighting literal jobbers on Rampage and shit for weeks after he won that TNT belt? No follow up from the MJF win. 

Speaking of MJF.. not really sure tweener or babyface is the way to go. Maybe it's a ruse but that stable The Firm?  Also sucks... only the manager Stokely has some personality. 

Miro disappears for weeks. Jade Cargill spends most of her time on Rampage while Toni Storm is ice cold. Jade and The Baddies could be more culturally relevant than they are. Jade was just on The Breakfast Club. Why is she always on Rampage. 

The Ring of Honor shit has also flopped. Nobody is caring about any of that. 

The only thing they've capitalized on is The Acclaimed. I was worried Tony would blow that too. 

There's injuries and suspensions but there's also outright terrible booking. 

You can't push Danny Garcia and Wheeler Yuta over Powerhouse Hobbs and other talent that were just sitting around with nothing to do. 

Those dry ass "wrestlers' wrestlers" might work for PWG but this is a national promotion. Act like it. 

[Octopus]

Am I the only one who like Penta’s taunts?

[Pedro]

54 minutes ago, Octopus said:

Am I the only one who like Penta’s taunts?

George Kittle does too 

[Ziggy]

I very rarely watch any weekly TVs from either but I very rarely have missed or not watched a WWE PPV since I got the WWE network in April 2014. I even still watch the NXT TakeOvers. The wrestling is always solid for the most part for the PPVs so I don't really complain. AEWs booking is alot more long term and that is refreshing compared to Vince and him Changing directions at a moments notice or giving up on people easily or 50/50 booking for the past 15 - 20 years. On top of the fact that Vince is got very stubborn in the fact and he was going to force the people to like his one top guy the he actually wasn't fickle on booking. Tony has done well booking wise , but the downside of long-term booking is you can't control injuries or people fighting to the point where they can't do business. I know people don't like the interim concept but that was his idea of having to keep his championship history strong without having to take the title off the person before he actually had to.

Didnt Hunter talk about his long-term booking approach on the last investor call recently? Based on what I what I see on social media and being on this board , I'm in tuned with what's going on and I do notice some good changes under this new regime. Their is still alot of Vinces booking patterns that harder critics still find difficult to get past. I like how he's handed Austin Theory in the past too week or getting rid of the 24/7 title. 

I think both companies need more time to let this develop in AEWs case with Punk effected what should been for Full Gear and WWE I felt like people won't really get to fully assess Hunter as the Booker until after Mania.

[S.K.o.S.]

Here's a new wrestling crossword for you all. I went so far as to use Microsoft Edge to get this tweet to embed!

 

[Zimbra]

5:58, I think that's a record for me.  Not having a lot of joshi names that I have to guess or look up helped.

Thanks man, love these.

[Just Adam Bay Bay]

3 hours ago, Infinit said:

This is probably where they got the ticket from. Usually they are pretty accurate.

So you were 100% spot on regarding it being a 95% sellout but a little off on ticket sales. 

Then they badly fudge the numbers for other events. I’ve been to Penguins (the minor league ones obviously) games where they claim close to 9,000. That’s why I was mistaken. So I’ll own that. 

[caley]

2 hours ago, Octopus said:

Am I the only one who like Penta’s taunts?

I think it's great as the crowd reacts EVERY time. Like if he did the Cero Miedo thing 5-6 times and the crowd popped once, then tailed off, it woud be one thing, but theyre into it, every time.

I will say it was a little jarring to see this Penta doing the taunts when he first got to Impact! after he'd been evil Penta in Lucha Underground but I got used to it and might like him as constantly-taunting dark Mysterio even better than arm-breaking evil Penta.