madl Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Really scratching my head over WWE’s programming philosophy last night. A lot was made about both companies loading up their cards to compete. AEW loaded up their cards with big names and title matches; WWE saved their big matches from an NXT and put on an average show with a few WWE midcarders added in. I’m not even sure why feeding Cora Jade and Roxanne Perez to a couple people from the main show is supposed to make me more interested in their Halloween Havoc match. I am amused at the very random teaming of the Club and Cameron Grimes. WAR booking at its very best. I wonder if Grimes or the Club lost the bet. From the way Meltzer and others hyped the head-to-head, I expected a couple big matches and a Bray Wyatt segment. For the record. I’m not bashing either company and didn’t watch either show.. Just curious why WWE didn’t load the show more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Comedian Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Hey, speaking of Important Internet Wrestling Figures of the Late 90's... With Cornette's recent revelation of booking notes from 1997 in which Vince Russo pitched bringing Yokozuna back to put him in the Hart Foundation, does that mean that Al Isaacs is finally vindicated after all these years? SCOOPS FOREVER BABY! 6 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 AEW Ace Steel was let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porksweats Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Blue Dragon said: AEW Ace Steel was let go. Well that bites. (If anyone was to be released, it definitely would've been Ace) 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I was thinking of resurrecting the What If thread to ask “What if MJF had signed to WWE in 2015?”, but I figured it would basically be asking “What if Enzo Amore had been trained and had a basic level of athleticism?”. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For Great Justice Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, AxB said: I was thinking of resurrecting the What If thread to ask “What if MJF had signed to WWE in 2015?”, but I figured it would basically be asking “What if Enzo Amore had been trained and had a basic level of athleticism?”. Matt Striker feels like a good comp IMO. 2015 was still a bit before the heyday of smaller guys being allowed to shine in NXT, so he likely gets turned into a manager and probably rage quits and winds up in AEW at launch anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 17 minutes ago, AxB said: I was thinking of resurrecting the What If thread to ask “What if MJF had signed to WWE in 2015?”, but I figured it would basically be asking “What if Enzo Amore had been trained and had a basic level of athleticism?”. Well, that's unfair to Enzo, who didn't have to do Attitude Era retread to garner cheap heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Dynamite Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 On 10/18/2022 at 10:31 AM, supremebve said: I'll have to watch this when I get home. With that said, when PWO did their greatest wrestler ever poll a few years back, Jumbo was my #1. I'd watch Jumbo wrestle almost anybody. On 10/18/2022 at 10:25 AM, Curt McGirt said: Here you go. For whatever reason the one you posted completely skips the finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2zRBqwPlXg for the full match, but lower VQ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SirSmellingtonofCascadia said: Well, that's unfair to Enzo, who didn't have to do Attitude Era retread to garner cheap heat. ENZO?!??! Enzo, bought a front row ticket to a pay-per-view and stood up in his chair screaming his catchphrase until he was detained by security, Enzo? Edited October 19, 2022 by nate 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Dynamite Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, nate said: ENZO?!??! Enzo, bought a front row ticket to a pay-per-view and stood up in his chair screaming his catchphrase until he was detained by security, Enzo? Oh, he didn't know. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, nate said: ENZO?!??! Enzo, bought a front row ticket to a pay-per-view and stood up in his chair screaming his catchphrase until he was detained by security, Enzo? I mean, this was post-firing, right? I guess you could argue that his catchphrase routine was very Road Dogg-esque, but he actually could do character work as a heel without relying on tired-ass Attitude Era "shock value" tropes. Is MJF a better wrestler than Enzo? It'd be pretty hard not to be. Enzo is Giant Gonzalez/El Gigante status there. But MJF is pretty fucking awful otherwise, and yeah, he relies on shtick that was old and tired by 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For Great Justice Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Now I want to hear 1998 Buh Buh Ray Dudley’s villain origin story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Enzo would have eventually hit a ceiling even if he were bigger and more athletic because he looked like Seth Green's character from Can't Hardly Wait. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Just now, For Great Justice said: Now I want to hear 1998 Buh Buh Ray Dudley’s villain origin story "I was a man with a lot of fat aggression and then I met Paul E. and he told me I could say on TV all of the wildly racist, bigoted, and homophobic things I grew up saying as a kid." 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 There is an art to saying things for easy heat without coming off like someone who just wanted to say shit they read on 4chan to the public, and no, Bully Ray did not get anywhere near to mastering that art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 All of the Dudleys have severe daddy issues. Big Daddy Dudley wasn't around for any of them. 3 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 In an alternate universe, Kevin Nash was Big Daddy Dudley. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, For Great Justice said: Now I want to hear 1998 Buh Buh Ray Dudley’s villain origin story He was always a heel, even when he was supposed to be a face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 2 hours ago, SirSmellingtonofCascadia said: But MJF is pretty fucking awful otherwise, and yeah, he relies on shtick that was old and tired by 2001. You haven’t watched Dynamite from last night yet, have you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 2 hours ago, AxB said: You haven’t watched Dynamite from last night yet, have you? I have zero plans to. He's young, so I hope he improves. He's got almost endless room to do so from the last time I saw him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnatural Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Epic confrontation when this went down, was watching with my kid brother and we yelled ourselves hoarse at this segment King Kong vs Godzilla levels hype for us 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 That was a big enough deal for my dumbass boss to bring it up to me at work. 20 hours ago, John E. Dynamite said: For whatever reason the one you posted completely skips the finish. This is what I get for not watching the match again first. Grrrr... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pedro Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 On 10/19/2022 at 4:47 AM, zendragon said: To be fair Mark Henry did put it all together but the first ten years where ROUGH! and Sid was a guy who certainly had a presence (and you can't teach that! Daddy!) that lead to some cool moments, Eliminating Hogan from 92 RR, The MSG entrance with the fist bumps, His appearance in ECW but he lacked enough in other qualities to make those moments lead to anything special long term Wrestle War 91 is rarely mentioned. He got over Sting,Pillman, and the Steiners in a time where heels rarely won main events on ppv. But WCW didn't pay him what he wanted and they never capitalized on the moment. They found their new toy El Gigante and Sid left for WWF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 searching through HistoryOfWWE for their Skydome shows in the 90s (thanks to the long Cornette podcast segment on large Canadian crowds) and apparently the Hamilton Tiger Cats are the official CFL team of the Nation of Domination Quote WWF @ Toronto, Ontario - Skydome - June 14, 1997 (14,615) Ahmed Johnson (w/ the Toronto Argonauts) pinned Farooq (w/ the Hamilton Tiger Cats) with the Pearl River Plunge at 3:40 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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