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  1. The fans don't love the Shield and Wyatts because of "Indy cred" at all. Considering that 99 percent of the crowd don't even know anything about Rollins, Ambrose, and Harper being big in the Indys and Wyatt, Rowan, and Reigns are pretty much pure WWE bred guys, (Rowan had a brief Indy career but never in Indy anyone was aware of), it's because they're new, engaging, have great gimmicks, and work hard.

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    Daniel Bryan needs to consult Terry Funk on ways to verbally goad Triple H into a match

     

    That'd actually be pretty fun. None of Bryan's attacks on HHH's manhood faze him, but saying that WWE has sucked since he took over pushes him over the edge.

     

    "Your wife is a streetwalker"

    "Your mother is a streetwalker"

    "I watched your matches on the WWE Network and they sucked"

     

    *Triple H angrily accepts challenge*

     

    Yeah the inherant problem with a Triple H feud is that no one actually gets to cut the kind of demeaning promos on him that he cuts on others. 

    The constant and on going "You're hiding behind your wife"  promos from Bryan, Show, and Punk have been/are "demeaning".

  3. Is anyone else old enough to remember when your school would actually, like, announce to everyone that THE WIZARD OF OZ was going to be on t.v.?

    It was always a huge deal.

    The Night Oz would air once a year was like a national holiday.
  4. One stoned night at PWO a heated discussion about Mid South/ UWF failing led to a mention of Happy Days and then Welcome Back Kotter which led to  me doing this. 

     

    "Ok, first of all, when Fonzie actually jumped the shark, it didn't affect the ratings at all.

     

    Ok, so to put this in Wrestling terms. The best comparison to the JYD stuff is actually when Richie and Ralph left the show. Now, the silly storylines were getting people talking in a negative way, but as a fan of Happy Days, I remember thinking that the show couldn't exist without them, but I stuck with the show because I loved it so much, the same way a lot of wrestling fans stick with a promotion for awhile before it dies out. And when Richie left, they brought in Roger as a replacement, like Watts did with George Wells and others for JYD. They had some success with putting the focus on Joanie and Chachi. Then, they try and expand into some new territories/ timeslots with Joanie Loves Chachi, sending three beloved mid carders (Al, as well as the title characters) away from home. Things started really going downhill as you now had a show with just Fonzie, The Cunninghams, and Potsie with new characters they tried to push like Flip and KC that no one wanted to see. Old veteran Pat Morita was brought back up to the promotion, but at this point the quality of sthe promotion was pretty bad. Still, people watched out of loyalty to the promotion.

    The Tuesday timeslot was also a big factor, as Happy Days owned that time for a hell of a long time, so people were comfortable flipping on ABC and seeing the show, even though the work and show were bad.

    They attempted some hot shot booking with the two parter where Richie and Ralph come back, and while that produced some good word of mouth, but the writing was on the wall. Joanie and Chachi were brought back but by this time it was over. Happy Days was moved to Thursdays right as the Juggernaut known as NBC Must See Thursdays was getting underway.

     

    So you see, people do tend to stick around after a show/ promotion loses it's biggest attraction. That being actually Richie, not Fonz. Or to be fair, it was Richie and the Fonz as a team. Once the show actually starred the Fonz, they had a lot of trouble finding ways to use him. He's a teacher, he's Dean of Men at a boys school, etc, etc...

     

    But the quality of workers and booking caused the show to eventually lose fans over the course of time, and the death knell was desperate attempts at replacing the stars who made the territory so hot that at one point they expanded into two more timeslot territories successfully with Laverne and Shirley and Mork and Mindy.

     

    We won't discuss Blansky's Beauties, as it was a disaster.

     

    I'm not a big numbers guy, but I think they tell the story of Garry Marshall Promotions

     

    Ratings

     

    Season 1 (1974): #16 [27] (21.5 rating)

    Season 2 (1974-1975): Not in Top 30 "Good Times", booked on CBS by Booker Fred Silverman was booked there as a direct challenge to Happy Days.

    Season 3 (1975-1976): #11 [28] (23.9 rating) Change of promotional style, Silverman then jumps to ABC and has to save the show he was trying to bury the year before.

    Season 4 (1976-1977): #1 [29] (31.5 rating) Change of style mixed with Fonz as the now #2 Babyface

    Season 5 (1977-1978): #2 [30] (31.4 rating)

    Season 6 (1978-1979): #3 [31] (28.6 rating)

    Season 7 (1979-1980): #17 [32] (21.7 rating) Silly storylines do start to affect things

    Season 8 (1980-1981): #15 [33] (20.8 rating)Richie and Ralph leave

    Season 9 (1981-“1982): #18 [34] (20.6 rating)

    Season 10 (1982-1983): #28 [35] (17.4 rating)

    Season 11 (1983-“1984): #63

     

    Now, the show did manage to hang onto viewers after Richie left, but you can see that the combination of bad pushes, leaving characters, and bad storylines all which are "booking" that caused the fall of the promotion."

     

     

     

    "Well, the fall of Kotter was directly related to the red hot Sweathog stable having to change as Vinnie Barbarino broke out as a solo star. They brought in Beauregarde "Beau" De LaBarre as a replacement, but no one accepted the Lance Von Erich type replacement, as he wasn't considered a real Sweathog. Also, attempts at tweaking them into more of a blowjob team by dropping Horshack's awkward look and Epstein's toughness wasn't accepted. Add in that the lead face/ manager of the stable missing dates due to contract problems, and the show fizzled as fast as it hit big. It drew big, and is fondly remembered, but like many promotions...it was killed by it's own success. "

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  5. Mania 1 fucking rules. It's because I was watching live on closed circuit in Philly in a packed Spectrum and I had so much fun and the memories of the build, the night before watching Hogan and T on SNL, my mom marking out for Bruno, and just the whole deal. But I still say it was a great show.

    Mania 2 sucked a giant dick outside of a couple of matches, but that's another story.

  6. I'm watching RAW now, and it's hilarious how many people have been going on about "HOGAN STUMBLED OVER ALL HIS LINES BLIBBEDY BLABBITY BOO BLAH BLAH BLAH!" when that didn't happen at all. He said Universe instead of network and recovered without a pause.

     

    And some of the Hulkster hate going on makes me sad. Hogan's the man. It's not like he's gonna be wrestling, he couldn't pass the physical.

     

    (And that's almost a good thing if the story Piper told on Austin's show about the WWE wanting to do a Piper/ Hogan match at Mania was true.)

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    One day? It started before SummerSlam and more/or less been on a slow burn since then. The Wyatt thing was a bit sidetrack but it's been a pretty steady narrative since then.

     

    Until a month ago, the match was Punk-v-Hunter. It hasn't been a slow burn, it had been bypassed entirely. 

     

    And I felt that the whole Punk vs HHH thing seemed like it was gonna interrupt the obvious long term story they'd been telling that was Bryan vs HHH. HHH has been screwing over Bryan since Summerslam and suddenly it's gonna be Punk vs HHH? That's what didn't make sense.

  8. I just watched "Primary Colors" for the first time in years. Man, I forgot just how great it was. Travolta is so good, probably the best role he's ever had, and he's almost outshined by the supporting cast from heaven. Emma Thompson, Billy Bob Thornton, Kathy fucking Bates, Maura Tierney, Larry Hagman, Diane Ladd, Allison Janney, Robert Klein, Tony Shaloub, and Adrian Lester as the young unknown who's the center of the film. 

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    Rick Rude went from pretty meh in the ring to pretty badass in a fairly short amount of time in my opinion. I don't remember him being much of anything when he was in World Class or NWA and the first few months of his WWF stint. Then in 1988, he got damn good.

    I'm in the "Rude was always awesome" camp myself..

    Yeah, he was decent in Florida and Memphis, better in World Class, and half of the greatest team ever in Crockett.

     

    You've heard the story of Manny getting frustrated with Rude over the fact Rude was making him do all the work, right?

     

    Oh yeah. But when I was 16 I didn't notice, nor give a shit. And therefore my feelings stand. Ravishing and Raging were the best.

  10. Rick Rude went from pretty meh in the ring to pretty badass in a fairly short amount of time in my opinion. I don't remember him being much of anything when he was in World Class or NWA and the first few months of his WWF stint. Then in 1988, he got damn good.

    I'm in the "Rude was always awesome" camp myself..

    Yeah, he was decent in Florida and Memphis, better in World Class, and half of the greatest team ever in Crockett.
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