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  1. Lucha Bros draw, Kenny wins and gets the bye.

    Page beats Colt but gets beaten down by the Dark Order afterwards. Faces Wardlow in the semis. Time running out, Page chooses to let Wardlow win as he doesn't think he's got enough left to beat Kenny. Wardlow beats Kenny and turns face after refusing to give MJF the shot

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  2. Its been a rough ride getting there.

    All the young players given up who've gone on to show heaps elsewhere. Ball, Ingram, Randle, Hart, Russell, Clarkson, Nance, Zubac etc

    All the crummy washed up vets on huge deals. Howard first time around, Nash, Hibbert, Deng, Mozgov, etc.

    I remember going to Staples in 2017 for Metta's final game. Absolutely clowning the Pelicans only for half the crowd to leave as the club store was selling everything 50% off.

    A lot went right for this happen and a lot went lucky. 

    Lot to be done to make back to back a chance let alone a reality. So many role players exceeding expectations, and not a lot to play with on the market either.

  3. When you rewatch the Goldust/Hall stuff, its difficult to work out under today's lens.

    - were they setting him up for a heel turn and to be Shawn's challenger after Mania?

    - burying him on the way out

    - putting over Goldust at decent lengths while just being super homophobic.

    There was an interesting Cape Fear element to it I thought. But yeah definitely faces acting unjustifiably dickish personified.

  4. I think the issues with Mero were also:

    - they tried replicating Savage and Liz with him and Sable after the IC title tourney and no one bought it.

    - Perfect leaving HHH mid angle with Mero and it was never really cared to be resolved as a result.

    - his stuff in early 97 before he blew his knee out just as he was becoming a heel was pretty cool. That was actually kinda Savage like. Then he came back as lame boxer guy. Wasnt going to work in that era.

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  5. I remember someone saying it should build to The Match Beyond.

    Anniversary show match sees Orange have a clean pin on Cody. Dark Order run in and beat down both guys.

    Dustin Rhodes and Best Friends make the save. There's your Not War Games.

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  6. That was some Ronnie Garvin shit with Brodie Lee. Giving him a brief title run so Cody can go film his game show. Not even a rubber match? Phooey.

    Swole/Deeb was a sleeper for the best women's match in the company's history.

    Yeah credit where it due. JR was good tonight...

  7. On 9/3/2020 at 3:39 PM, Setsuna said:

    I'm going to start Lovecraft Country tonight, but anyone else watching Ted Lasso? I'm enjoying that way more than I thought I would. Watched the first episode thinking I'd get something vapid in the style of Ballers, but I am totally hooked on pretty much everything going on in the show. Love the Sudeikis character and was going to start naming others until I realised I like every supporting character. It's the show I look forward to most for the past few weeks.

    Its so fucking good.

    I can't believe this is the show that makes me consistently cry the most

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  8. On 9/3/2020 at 3:39 PM, Setsuna said:

    I'm going to start Lovecraft Country tonight, but anyone else watching Ted Lasso? I'm enjoying that way more than I thought I would. Watched the first episode thinking I'd get something vapid in the style of Ballers, but I am totally hooked on pretty much everything going on in the show. Love the Sudeikis character and was going to start naming others until I realised I like every supporting character. It's the show I look forward to most for the past few weeks.

    Its so fucking good.

    I can't believe this is the show that makes me consistently cry the most

  9. I didn't really like the Nyla Rose stuff during the pull apart.

    Seemed a bit too going into business for yourself. They're trying to get over a big match on the PPV, and a large portion of the segment is her beating up extras which leads to nothing. I get that it probably sells the out of control pandemonium of it all but it was way too distracting from what they were trying to achieve.

  10. 10/1/94 RAW (one year anniversary show).

    Recap of the Polo/Jannetty match. Its jarring hearing Vince narrate the recap with "TO FIND OUT ONCE AND FOR ALL WHO THE BETTER WRESTLER IS".

    Marty and the Kid vs the Quebecers for the Tag Titles.

    This is such a well laid out match. A throwaway TV match before an already scheduled PPV defence, huge babyface dominant opening segment, heels teasing a walkout. Dusty finish during an ad break. 

    Then the finish sucks. Marty breaks up the face in peril segment by entering the ring as the illegal man, stopping their finish, and then dragging the Kid over to his corner for the least organic hot tag ever.

    Powerplex picks up the win and the title change. Savage comes in to celebrate with them after..

    Its not as good as the Headshrinkers title change in a few months time but this was really fun and ahead of its time.

    I lost a lot of what I wrote from here.

    Nothing to really write home about. A Borga and a Taker squash of no consequence.

    Bastion Booger vs Bam Bam Bigelow 

    Bigelow takes a huge Flair flop bump from the apron to the floor. Not sure if intentionally.

    Botched body slam, followed by a diving headbutt wins it for Bigelow. Beatdown after the match...I assume Booger got canned after this?

    IRS interrupts Savage to conclude the show hyping next weeks main event. And wears a cake.

    Weird show. Good but weird.


  11. I'm curious how he got in the door the first time.

    I think I remember him saying in a shoot that Piper vouched for him from the Portland days, but the timelines don't particularly add up. Not unrealistic by any stretch. 

    Probably makes more sense than seeing him open WCW PPVs in the cruiserweight division and see heel manager/commentator potential.

  12. Agreed re DiBiase. He was a nice change of pace in that he only spoke when he had something to say, and he still had that Ventura esque logic to what he said.

    He was just constantly bored and disinterested.

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  13. 8/1/20 Superstars

    Tunney announcement confirming Luger can enter the Rumble but in return Cornette gets the remaining 2 spots for Tenryu and the Great Kabuki. 

    Bert Centeno and Scott Taylor vs Yokozuna

    Centeno is awful. Match starts with some tandem dropkicks on Yokozuna...Centeno's are some of the worst I've ever seen. Barely leaves the ground.

    Most of the match spent hyping up Andre the Giant's record in handicap matches. Yoko wins by stacking both guys and Banzai Dropping both. Taker promo on the video wall afterwards. They do a pretty good job of hyping this match and Yokozuna having no chance of winning. Not enough guys win matches via murder these days.

    Jarrett wins a match against a job guy after the job guy missed a dropkick. Never seen that finish before. Its underwhelming. Jarrett hits his jumping DDT afterwards.

    Bret Hart vs Mike Bell

    Quick match. Bret puts him away with the sharpshooter. Most of the match spent focusing on Owen at ringside. 

    Raymond Rougeau interviews the Quebecers. Jacques: "I'll tell you one thing. Brothers aren't always close or always get along" *glares at Raymond*.

    Razor Ramon vs Duffy. Another quick squash of no importance. IRS in screen promo during it.

    Another Kwang video. Still bad. A ninja he is not.

    A Luger promo. Its bad. Proto Kurt Angle in its earnest insincerity. Between the poll and now these promos I'd have been certain he was turning heel here. Instead...he just sucked.

    Bam Bam vs jobber. Bam Bam wins with a diving headbutt and theyre really building to a match with Bastion Booger that goes nowhere. Doink comes out after the match, Dink trips up Bam Bam and Luna trips over marbles. They changed direction quickly and its a shitty one.


  14. Monday Night Raw Jan 3 1994.

    Johnny Polo and Vince hosting.

    Dan Dubiel vs Yokozuna.

    Strange way to book a casket match by having the babyface sneak the stipulation into the contract under the heel manager's eyes. Aside from making them look super incompetent, it makes the Undertaker look uncharacteristically like a sneaky piece of shit.

    It worked for Moxley and MJF recently as MJF thought he was getting a huge advantage over Mox with his paradigm shift stipulation giving him a huge advantage. There was no huge advantage for Yokozuna to agree to the match in the first place.

    Polo tries educating Vince on what "dope" means, before giving an insight into "Mr Fuji's keen Oriental mind".

    Can't tell whether Yokozuna whiffs the Banzai Drop or not. Doesn't look great.

    Vince interview with Luger. He's definitely the blandest Vince top guy choice he ever had. Again they don't publish the numbers of the poll to allow him to compete.

    Bam Bam Bigelow tags with Bastion Booger against the Smoking Gunns.

    Bigelow deserves better than this. They just drop the ball with him countless times. I'd argue he should have had Yoko's run instead. Debuted around the same time and had better name recognition. Has a good ppv match against Boss Man at the Rumble. Gets his Mania match against Kamala cancelled at the last minute. Has a huge showing KOTR against Bret. Then nothing. Can't have two monster heels pushed at the same time i guess...other than Adam Bomb, Diesel, Borga, Gonzales, Mr Hughes etc.

    Booger tries to kiss Luna. Bigelow sees it and attacks him and count themselves out after Bam Bam takes care of both Gunns. 

    Rumble promo video gets Fatu and Samu confused. An early precursor to An Uso.

    Homeless looking Jannety and the Kid storm the booth to demand a tag title shot. They get it. Marty looks messed up. 

    Jeff Jarrett vs enhancement talent 

    Polo makes jokes about Burt Reynolds' divorce and Rob Lowe's Atlanta incident. It's strange to think Burt works for them a few months later.

    Strange match. Jarrett gives the enhancement guy plenty. Wins with a jumping DDT. Its a problem that plagues the rest of his career in not knowing what style to work. One minute he's a Flair knock off. Next week vicious punch kick guy. Memphis stooging. Firey babyface. And none of them ever really stick or fit. 

    Polo clearly getting fed lines from Vince and just shitting on them. "Smokers are losers? Yeah well I only smoke when I'm on fire...whatever that means".

    Shawn Michaels vs Brian Walsh

    Another enhancement talent getting plenty of opportunities to shine. Shawn wins with a piledriver. Show ends. By the by.

  15. 2/1/94 Wrestling Challenge

    JIP - Tatanka vs Tony Devito 

    DeVito runs the ropes nicely. I've never observed that about a wrestler before. Now I'm trying to think who are guys that do or don't do it well? Rey adapted it well for his size. Taker always looked crisp and purposeful when he did it. But otherwise drawing a blank. 

    JR puts DeVito over here decently. Tatanka is already yesterdays news following his loss to Borga. Its all they can talk about with him. I can see where Pritchard is coming from with the Ryback stuff.

    Rumble 94 promo...I had no idea Lord Alfred was still on active duty this long. He was such a weird character. Ostensibly a heel, but...never really did anything that heelish either. He just was. And was British.

    Headshrinkers vs two enhancement talent

    Fatu just murders a guy here. Job guys attempt to do a synchronised roll up off the ropes. Fatu just throws the guy against the top rope. Double russian legsweep and top rope splash does it.

    Hype video for the MSG Royal Rumble show. Diesel gets interviewed in what appears to be a motel room, noting the floral curtains in the background. Rebuttal from Shawn follows.

    Don't drink and drive ad with Bret. He flubs it. In hindsight im almost at the point where its crazy to think they put the title on him in 1992. His promos were terrible, as great as he was in ring.

    Doink vs Duane Gill 

    Over very quickly. Doink wins with the whoopee cushion. I love the idea put forward by commentary that Doink was a former great wrestler who's now in hiding. Who did Big Josh upset?

    Cornette and Yoko promo. Stan Lane was really underrated as an on screen talent in this time. Clear and well spoken. Wasnt a fast talker like everyone else on screen at the time also. Man, he was super cheesy. "He's not scared, he just gets the creeps when you say casket". 

    MOM vs Reno Riggins and his partner who never gets in the ring.

    I never realised just how white WWF audiences were at this time. MOM are fairly over with an otherwise tired long taping crowd, but its just dorky white children in every shot.

    I like Mo. He's technically sound and does some nice things for a guy his size. Reno Riggins shows off some personality and slick in ring movement before getting squashed by Mabel.

    IRS vs Mike Khoury

    The ongoing angle is uncertainty around whether IRS has Razor's gold chains in his briefcase or not. Who cares? Its already been shown he did. IRS wins this one quickly with a belly to back suplex.

    Shawn Michaels vs Phil Santino.

    JR with the wrestler of the 90s spiel again. This time talking up his credentials as a martial artist....That's a different one. Shawn wins quickly with the super kick.

    Crush promo for the New York rumble. Like a tornado through a trailer park is the cliche of choice. 

    Hype for next week - Taker, Crush, Borga, the 'once defeated Tatanka' and the new pairing of Jannetty and the Kid..

  16. 18 minutes ago, Gorman said:

    Because if he won, he would get another title shot, and he was only supposed to get the one title shot at SummerSlam 93.

    Sure, given it was only the second year that rule was in place, he could easily have been in the Rumble but not get his title shot?

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  17. WWF Mania 1/1/94

    I dont understand how you can have this show geared to adults on Saturday morning and hosted by Todd Pettengill.  Imagine waking up hungover and dealing with that manic fuckwittery.

    Recap of Polo and Marty from RAW the week before. I've mentioned this match before. Its an absolute banger, but its so not the story that needs to be told. Johnny Polo, cowardly, arrogant heel in his first match ever is having a 50/50 spotfest with Marty Jannety. Both guys take some insane bumps here. A missed crossbody off the ropes to the outside followed by a plancha. 

    The crowd is massively into it. Good match into it. Not Let's Go Marty. 

    Polo takes a dropkick bump in the ring to the floor over the top rope. A Marty double axe handle from the top rope to the floor. Polo wins with a reversed sunset flip and holding on to Pierre on the outside. Marty wants to take on both Quebecers after the match with a chair, letting them know he's got justifiable homicidal background. 

    More Todd Pettengill. 

    Crush promo. Finkel interviewing him is jarring, especially as he asks questions in his ring announcing cadence. Crush is wearing a hybrid of his Kona Crush and his purple and black gear. Looks cool. Crush is underrated in the pantheon of worst promo guys ever. Lot of cliches. Lot of sick burns that don't really make sense. Let me tell you something. Your worst nightmare. Punk. Punk. Punk. I only just realised that Crush turning heel and managed by Fuji made sense long term going back to Demolition. I assume this was never really addressed.

    Savage promo in response. He tries with very little.

    Mabel/Mo vs Iron Mike Sharpe/Mike Bell

    Mabel starts the match with a drop toe hold and a amateur wrestling flip around. Its pretty cool to see. Mo has a nice armbar into a slam. It looks good, again for the stuff guys don't use any more. Mabel wins it. They really came around at the wrong time. A year earlier could have been fun matches with the Headshrinkers and the Disasters. Here, they're not as popular as the Steiners, and the Gunns are being pushed, the Mabel singles push gets earmarked early.

    Taker promo hyping the Yokozuna match at the Rumble. Nothing of note.

    JIP of Jeff Jarrett vs Scott Taylor. Jarrett during the period where he looks an extra on the Sonny and Cher Show with the fluro tights and headband whilst being a country music singer is odd. He starts on TV in like late 93 and doesn't really change his gear from being just another guy till the end of 94. 

    The promo pics for Rick Steiner are interesting from a no head gear and no Michigan themed attire of the time perspective. Could just be the stock photo. Given the Scott singles push rumours at the time i wonder if it was more to it.

    Lex Luger vs Barry Horrowitz from RAW. Going on my earlier comments, I think Luger patterned his fired up babyface comebacks on Steamboats. But they lack the non punch kick stuff to make it work. Here he is showing off some sweet Steamboat-esque armdrags that wouldn't be unwelcome during them. I don't think I've ever seen it happen. 

    Gorilla gets on a really weird tangent demanding Clinton gets impeached...in January 1994. 

    Luger wins it with a top rope superplex.

    Savage campaigns for Luger to be in the Rumble. So his eventual win isn't tainted by him not being there. If you can give Savage credit for something its that he was just the absolute best with continuity in his storyline over the long term and his motivations making sense. 

    PSA from Bret about drink driving. Savage says he doesn't drink or drive so he's fine. Todd seems confused.

    Shawn Michaels vs Phil Apollo 

    JR says that Shawn calls himself the Wrestler of the 90s. I dont recall him saying that ever. I do recall JR calling Sting that a lot. JR then follows it up by saying he's never seen any other athlete deserving of that moniker. Apollo takes a lot of the match. Sweet chin music followed by an odd top rope twisting fist drop. 

    Promo for Kwang. Wow. How is that not trotted out any more? Dude is Chris Farley like in his gracefulness. 

    Razor Ramon vs Derek Domino or something from RAW. Hall just beats the piss out of this guy. He spikes him good on the razors edge too. Not sure what happened there but yikes.

    Show ends with Todd wanting to be Savage's tag team partner. It goes nowhere thankfully.

  18. fairly certain advertising torrents isn't allowed so I won't.

    Starting off with 1/1/94 Superstars.

    Opening match is Lex Luger vs Jacques of the Quebecers. 

    Jacques cuts a promo on Lex putting Pierre out with his loaded forearm a few weeks earlier. Did they ever acknowledge that Fabulous Rougeau Jacques, the Mountie and Quebecer Jacques were all the same person?

    Luger's selling was horrific and its a pretty good reason why fans never connected with him as a top face. It was so over the top that it worked in the later days of WCW as a stooping heel, but top baby faces shouldn't be selling backrakes, hair pulling and the boots put to them a few minutes into a match like death...or without any attempt to fight back. Him actively looking over his shoulder for when Jacques is kicking him to know when to sell is really off putting. There's also a lot of close ups of Luger's taint.

    I really like his firey babyface comebacks. They're very Steamboat esque. But there's three in the one six minute match, and they're all pretty stilted on account of him not really having much to do moveset wise.

    Quebecers try the twin magic switcheroo. Its ambitious...but still inexplicably the match continues.

    Luger beats both the tag champs cleanly with his forearm and then pins Polo for good measure. Is this the first time the top guy beating the tag champs by himself trope makes an appearance?

    Again Polo interferes like a wrestler rather than a manager, nailing Luger with a running knee on the outside and then hitting some kicks. Then when dragged in at the end, doesn't nearly beg off anywhere near enough in that context. Its off putting.

    Jim Cornette cuts a super shitty "it was acceptable at the time" promo on Tatanka, calling all Native Americans drunks and unemployed. It doesn't age well. Tatanka's response is bad, especially for a pretaped one. He hasn't forgotten  what Yokozuna did to him. Just his lines.

    PSA ad from Razor Ramon. This also doesn't age well.

    Mike Khoury and Tim McNeedy vs The Headshrinkers.

    Samu doesn't wrestle like a savage. Its wrestling school lock ups and headlock. But he's got a sweet savate kick. Fatu gets it. Fairly nothing squash ending with a double Russian legsweep and a Fatu top rope splash.

    Razor live promo. Its odd that Scott Hall never participated in a Royal Rumble. Recap of Shawn hitting the Razors Edge on him in the entrance way and Hall hitting his head both times, and that weird time when IRS was repossessing stuff from various midcarders (was Barry Darsow supposed to get a push before leaving and they just put IRS in there instead?)

    Bastion Booger vs a jobber (theres a small child doing the ring announcing. He's terrible). What was Booger's gimmick exactly, other than big disgusting nearly naked guy? He wins by face sitting on the enhancement guy. Again with the taint close ups. 

    Thurman Sparky Plugg promo vid. This would have been a great heel gimmick. Even today..trash NASCAR guy works. 

    Owen Hart vs Barry "Tiger King" Hardy. Theres a nice bit of foreshadowing here where Owen goes up top for a missile dropkick only to notice the video wall is focusing on Bret at ringside instead, and then points to it finally showing his big moment on replay whilst leaving the ring.

    Theres a Rumble promo video from Todd Pettengill. I forgot about that brief period where they had a thing with Casio for the countdown. Im guessing it was to make it seem like a legitimate sports feel. Then they gave up on it. Pettengill thinks Mabel looks a lot like Mrs Doubtfire. I don't see it..

    There's an opinion poll for Lex Luger. I'm not entirely sure what the question is. I think its to be allowed in the Rumble. Did they try to do a Honky Tonk Man vote of confidence here? 

    Ludvig Borga squash. RWNJ aside, he had a great look. Those tights should be replicated. No one ever does them. There can't be too many more TV appearances for him before he minces his ankle. He finishes with a torture rack that doesn't quite look right. I can't see how what he's doing is painful. It looks like a set up for an airplane spin rather than the backbreaker set up.

    Show ends hyping whether Lex Luger will be allowed in the Royal Rumble. Logically...why not?

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