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  1. I have not watched any AEW and decided to order the show on a whim about 2/3rds thru and was thoroughly unimpressed, apart from the unintentional humour at the end. Hyping a major signing and delivering Christian in 2021 is right out of the TNA playbook (or maybe even WCW 1998 when hyping Rick  Martel as a former World Champ). Live commentary during cinematic matches just makes the commentators sound like fools. Cena, Hardy and Takers (and to a lesser extent Wyatt) cinematic matches worked because they are larger than life characters/performers. Sting fits into that mold, but his character being a silent avenger of justice takes a hit when he actually takes a bunch of punishment. He really shouldn’t have been involved until right at the end, but even then only after saving Darby but then after momentarily falling to the numbers having Darby save him which would actually help elevate Darby (and the heels) to Sting’s level instead of the 4 man brawl with plunder in a warehouse that they had. The main was sloppy with the pyro going off noticeably before the ropes being touched, a fight in the corner with Omega and Moxley both touching the ropes with no explosions only for those same ropes to explode when touched a minute later, the pyro on the outside board being nowhere near the landing spot,  the pointless logic of the Good Brother's interference (why would they wait until the end of the match before getting involved in the finish when they could’ve saved their buddy a whole lot of punishment by coming out at the start) and Omega cutting a promo into one of the handheld cameras after the match that was pretty much missed. They would be better off just not mentioning the end explosion instead of hurting their credibility any more by trying to make it part of the story.

    More than anything, I just can’t see how that ending (even if it went off in a better manner) would make someone who wasn’t already a diehard AEW fan want to care about the next show (especially the type of person who was curious about the exploding death match concept, as it both failed to live up to expectations and is not likely to be a regular part of the show going forward so can’t be used to draw them in next time). There is clearly a sustainable fan base for AEW, but shows like this seem like they would be more likely to erode that support for the company than grow it. And eventually the lure of not being WWE will wear off, especially when the major surprises are talent that never even sniffed the tippy top level of WWE, when that is caliber of name expected/hyped by claiming they are HoF worthy (but still obviously an active competitor). None of this is meant as a criticism of Christian, or even the decision to use him as he still seems like he can be a valuable asset. But saying it was a letdown because people knew he signed with the company is missing the point, because nobody would be making that particular complaint if it was Brock Lesnar that signed and everybody still knew beforehand, because his reputation would’ve lived up to the hype. 

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  2. 36 minutes ago, RolandTHTG said:

    I think Reigns/Fiend depends on how quickly you're prepared to dispense the Fiend as the guy 

    Built him up as an unbeatable monster only to drop a fall 8 months later? On the other hand Roman cant afford another high profile choke.

    I think a four way involving Corbin and Bryan makes more sense if you look past the need for Mania to be one vs one title matches. Adds a dynamic of vulnerability to the Fiend losing without being pinned. 

    Interested to see who the fourth guy would be for AoP/Rollins/Murphy vs Joe/Owens/Black. Viking Raiders makes the most sense but Black seems to be added to the mix and has history with Buddy. I'll say Ricochet. On the other hand I expect there's an OC vs Rated RKO match in there too, so seems unlikely you go with two big multiman matches. Joe and Owens vs Rollins and Buddy for the tag straps seems doable. 

    Could you do a hair and title vs career and mask match for Rey and Andrade?

    I can't see Bayley making it to Mania as champion. It's just a matter of who takes her title beforehand and faces Charlotte. But where does that leave Becky? Time might be right for another winner take all four way between the Horsewomen and then have Shayna/Rousey/etc attack them the night after and force them to put their differences aside.


    Jesus the thought of that 4-way with Corbin sounds horrible. That man needs to go away for along time, if not for good. 

    i understand your point with blowing off The Fiend after 8 months, but is the reaction going to be that much bigger at 12/-8/24 months away compared to now? And that’s without worrying about the possible reaction Bryan would get for beating The Fiend being way greater than Reigns. And the reaction Reigns would get for beating him would be weaker 12 months from now imo, altho tbh I doubt there is much of a difference in reactions for Bryan be it now or later. I just think if it’s not those two now, I don’t think the gimmick that beats The Fiend for the first is currently on the roster.

  3. While watching and with how long it took for him to leave, I figured Brock was going to come back and somehow factor into Drew’s elimination, with Reigns winning to set him up with Bray at Mania. I guess they could still go with that direction, but with Bryan really being the only one built as the cause of The Fiend, it tells a better story to have him be the one to banish him after failing a couple times. The ending of their match kind of felt like a blow off tho, so that may not be the plan and the plan is for Roman to win the SD shot at EC.

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  4. Knowing this company’s history with bait and switches I would only be half surprised if it’s a pre taped match just inserted into the show.


    But seriously, the timing of the announcement makes me think they hoped to announce it late enough so the conservatives locals don’t have enough tine to try and stop it from happening. Not passing judgment either way on that decision, but hard to not have that thought.

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  5. Not a surprise ratings for this show are down 25 percent from last week.  Starting the show with the corny Rollins/Fiend angle (complete with one of the lighting guys being shown clearly in shot when the house lights came back on), a non finish in a match to determine who picks first in the draft, Stephanie just reading out the picks, corny War Rooms and King Corban all in the first 30 mins is not a recipe for ratings success I wouldn’t have thought.

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  6. 6 hours ago, The Natural said:

    I think Seth Rollins vs. The Fiend Bray Wyatt inside Hell in a Cell has replaced The Undertaker vs. Goldberg at Super Showdown as the worst match this year. I thought that wouldn't be topped. Undertaker/Goldberg was both sad and dangerous. Goldberg getting concussed, dropped on his head taking the Tombstone Piledriver, Goldberg spiking Undertaker while attempting the Jackhammer and the terrible match ending Chokeslam.

    Seth Rollins vs. The Fiend in the Hell in a Cell kept the WWE Universal Championship on somebody who shouldn't have it, the Fiend needed to run through Rollins but didn't and damaged the Hell in a Cell match itself with THAT finish. Said finish led to loud boos, chants of bullshit, restart the match and AEW. That level of ineptitude takes some doing.

    I think there is a big difference between sloppy in ring work that puts people’s health/safety in danger, and being dissatisfied with the booking/theatrics.

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  7. As ridiculous as the match was, would it come anywhere near close to the top 5 dumbest Undertaker (and I guess also Kane) moments? He kidnapped the boss’s daughter to marry her in a satanic wedding (which ended up being revealed to be a plot his boss was in on),  hung someone from Hell in a Cell, embalmed Mideon on air (those three all happening within 6 months or so and then not long after disappeared and returned 6 months later as a Biker without any of those powers for the next 3 or so years) has been buried alive and almost killed his manager/possible father by encasing him in a cement crypt in the middle of an arena. How about his early involvement in the Warrior/Roberts angle. So the reaction about this being company killing seems just a little hyperbolic. 


    My personal problem with the match was they had so many moments where it killed the suspension of disbelief. If it was just the cartoonishly large mallet and the over the top cartoon violence, with the match/show ending when the ref called the “no contest”, with the post match antics moved to Raw tomorrow, the angle as a whole probably wouldn’t have come across so badly and still serves all the same purposes (keeps title on Seth while still allowing Bray to no sell the beat down as he was never pinned and fresh enough 24 hours later after the most violent in ring beating in however long to get his vengeance). As it was, it was just too much to pack into 30 minutes. If people are mentally checking out 4/5 times because they find the stuff so over the top (personally the red light, the mallet, the violence, the eventual no selling of the violence and then the fake blood at the end we’re the main bits where I just chuckled at how fake/ridiculous it was), you’re going to get the reaction that was seen tonight. 

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  8. 5 hours ago, Rick said:

    did someone insinuate she was?

    Brock being money in the bank winner is quite a fresh option for him in theory. In execution we all know it's simply a catapult to get him and Rollins to Saudi. I'm hoping for something different though. He looked massive, clearly back on the gear and ready to commit to wrestling for the long haul. I think some of the bad energy towards Brock is self-inflicted on WWE's part, the booking of him being this lazy mercenary has completely killed him in the eyes of the viewer. They murdered their biggest star in order to get Roman over, and it backfired massively. No-one cares. 


    I agree, but I think the reaction to him coming out showed he can be rehabbed as his legit credentials won’t ever get less impressive. I understand people like Ali and all, but for all of his bumps during that match, the crowd was dead for his ascent to the ladder and never once reacted like they thought he was a serious chance of winning even though it was clearly building to the end spot (which tbh I figured was going to be a Bray Wyatt run in). They then exploded for Lesnar, who got a much bigger pop and reaction than anybody else in that match simply by pushing someone off and climbing a ladder. I’ve never really had a problem with crazy bumps/spots in a match, but this one really just highlighted to me how pointless so many of them seemed to be, and how the crowd reaction to those spots seemed to get less and less the more of them they were, with the immediate contrast of the reaction of someone who took no bumps in that same match.

  9. I really was expecting HHH to say “Now you’re dealing with Paul”.

    But seriously that is probably the best use of Rousey since she’s been in, except she pretty much killed Becky dead with that beat down (and maybe not her heat, but certainly credibility, especially with the casuals or people they are hoping to stay on when Rhonda goes), and really should’ve been Charlotte instead. Because of her UFC background, Rousey comes across as way more credible than any normal pro wrestling promo could when she says she’d beat the piss out of them IRL, so by having her then do so right after saying it just re-enforces she’s on another level to them. If it was Charlotte that got it in that last segment (without Becky present), and have Becky cop a beating from Rhonda later on down the line in a more heel-ish manner (like a proper sneak attack, not an attack where she was hit second and was also armed with a weapon that she’s used before at the start of the attack), then it could elevate Becky as the person that can hang on Rhonda’s level by beating her. As it is though, the ex UFC champ just told everybody they are legit tougher than everybody else and can beat everybody up, and then went and did it. It’s like how well would’ve Austin’s image gone if Tyson had just knocked him out cold during the Raw angle in Fresno?

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  10. They may as well just have Rollins step aside to give Reigns his shot at Lesnar if he is going to be back full time from here on in given there is still 5-6 weeks until Mania. If they are going to basically forget about the Shield breakup, just go the next step and pretend Summerslam didn’t happen either. They tried so long to try and manufacture a favourable reaction to him beating Lesnar at Mania, and now they have the perfect opportunity to do so which requires no manufacturing at all. I doubt even the smarkiest if smarks would boo and would genuinely feel happy for the guy after what’s he’s been through. And if they are going to exploit it, they may as well exploit it to the point that the payoff for the exploitation is 60-70k fans cheering (and doing so loudly) for him beating Lesnar at Mania, which none of us would’ve considered possible 12 months ago

  11. 2 hours ago, FlaeBlazer said:

    I’m assuming all that huge space on the floor was from unsold seats?

    How well did this show actually draw? WWE claimed 70,000 which means that it was legit probably 60,000 which definitely isn’t close to a sellout in a building this humongous. It looked great on TV and I didn’t really see any empty seats from the TV broadcast. WWE claimed it was a capacity crowd which is obviously bullshit. 

    About how much of the building was actually full?

    It would’ve drawn  over a legit 50k easy. About a 6th of the seating capacity was tarped off (so from maybe 100k down to around 60-70k in the grandstands), yet the only patchy spots in any of the grandstands where from the middle/back of the top deck and the last 5-10 rows of the bottom grandstand level. 

  12. Paid $300 for what I thought were pretty decent seas on level 2 only to have the centre of the ring obstructed due to the stupid marquee. A raised or more defined entrance way (or at least showing the entrances on one of the video boards) would’ve also added to the experience, but that is probably to be expected in a stadium that big. Apart from that the experience of going to a big show was pretty good. The crowd around me weren’t that vocal (and neither was I) but again I figure that is more due to the distance because the crowd on the ground seemed pretty enthusiastic, although as the show went on (and the drunker the crowd got) there was a bit more atmosphere in my area. Even after having been to hundreds of football games there, it still struck me just how big the place was seeing the wide open expanses of that ground with a legit 10-15k or so on the ground, but still having massive pockets of space around them.


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  13. On 9/19/2018 at 8:15 PM, Matt D said:

    Of course they would, but we knew that and so does everyone working there. Look at the Hogan thing and how that was handled. Most massive, publicly traded companies are going to make similar profit calculations if they can get away with them though.

    Most massively traded public companies do not broadcast their core product live and direct from there, whilst at the same time professing to be such an inclusive and progressive company. By continuing to put themselves in situations where this can be an issue, they risk losing their new found credibility in the wider media world.

    Sami Zyan’s injury really bailed them out of what could’ve been an extremely uncomfortable situation 

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  14. 19 hours ago, Matt D said:

    It's not like it'd be a particularly hard corporate speech from Hunter.

    "So in order for the company to make X amount of money, which impacts our bottom line and everyone who works here, we need to do Y. We don't like it. It's not about you as a talent. It's a cultural thing. Different cultures feel differently about things and we have to respect that. We think you're doing great, but you'll have to sit this one out. Go get ready for the next one. Again, you're doing great." 

    If your boss tells you that. what do you say? Maybe that it's hypocritical or that it sucks. And your boss will nod his head and agree, but just chalk it off to business and that'll be the end of it. At least he praised the hell out of you in the process, right? 

    I'm fairly certain neither of them would lose any sleep in the process. 

    Maybe it sucks that we're in a world where that's the case, but there you go.

    The problem with that logic is would the same opinion be had if it was financially prudent for them to avoid using black wrestlers in certain areas? If they had an openly gay male wrestler, would they leave him off this show for the same reasons?

    If anything, all these Saudi shows are doing is making it quite clear the women’s “revolution” and related marketing with Rousey etc are just a cynical attempt to cash in on equality branding and nothing else.

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  15. 7 hours ago, Burgundy LaRue said:

    WWE has put themselves in a bad spot.  They can't tell the story without a major gap in logic.

    Orton will say that he wouldn't go to WM as long as Bray was his master.  With the barn burning, Bray no longer has a hold over him. Therefore, in his mind, Orton is free to take the match. Since Bryan/Shane didn't insist on Orton signing official documentation to relinquish his WM spot, he can still lay claim to it. It makes those two look stupid for not investigating the rules or any previous actions which could guide them in making a sound choice.  They've now wasted everyone's time for two weeks and Orton made them look foolish.

    The barn burning to release Ortons mind doesn't really fit either, because that was always his plan. He was never under Wyatts spell and always planned to screw him once he won his trust according to his speech. They never really made that a focal point during the angle for this to make sense. It focused more on Orton turning him against Harper. It made no sense for him to give up his shot if he was just going to say 'I was just playing and I wanna destroy you' 2 weeks later when literally nothing had changed to their on-screen story. The only ways Ortons actions make logical sense is if his plan was to screw over both AJ and Wyatt on the way to winning the title from the start. The only person who loses something that had been built up was Styles by losing his guaranteed title match at WM that he won fairly. The shack and corpse that Orton burnt down were ancillary to the Wyatt character and the significance of them (ie first time the chair in the shack was put over as his only place of solitude) was only really introduced in the same segment they were destroyed. If Harper had won the match would he still have burnt the shack down? With how illogically this has been booked, I wouldn't be shocked if Harper is back with Wyatt by WM.

  16. I think the Heyman promo was built around the crowd chanting Gold-berg, and once it was obvious they weren't going to get a sustained one, they just killed it. He tried a couple of times by saying it makes the Brock angry but they just kept on going with the mix of chants. You appreciate just how good a performer someone like Heyman is when you see something like that which is clearly not working, and instead of looking like a deer in the headlights, is at least able to keep the segment moving while everyone figures out what to do and the back obviously just cut it because it probably wasn't going to be saved.

    Wood's promo earlier in the show also was built in part around the crowd interaction with the Shame bit, he just had to stop saying 'Shame' to allow the crowd to pick it up

  17. Unbeliveable atmosphere, unbelievable game. Hannebrey going down early in the last was a massive loss for them. Our pressure the entire final series is what won it for us. There was never more than a 5 minute period across the 4 games where it slipped from a manic level. The 5-8 min period of football between Hewitts goal to make it 1 point to Boyds running goal is the hardest I have ever seen played, and I'm just so happy to see it finally rewarded with a premiership.

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  18. On 25 September 2016 at 11:45 PM, sabremike said:

    Just curious how much the tickets were? Wonder how they compare to the Super Bowl or the Grey Cup in NA?

    AFL members were $190 for everywhere bar the back 20 or so rows at the top level of the Sotuhern Stand which were $170. As far as I'm aware silver AFL members pay the same amount if there are any left over which I don't believe their was after the Full members onsale.

    I also got a Bulldogs reserved game seat direct thru the club with Social Club membership which entitled me to a Grand Final ticket if I wanted to go thru the club. However the mates I go with don't have a Social Club membership attached to their reserved seats, so to sit together I would have had to join a ballot with the rest of the reserved seat members (Because they don't have a SC membership they're not guaranteed a seat. Only Coterie members who pay around $1500+ a year and Social Club members who pay an extra $150 on top of their yearly reserved seat members are guaranteed a GF ticket if we make it. Coterie members get preference and I believe get to hide their seat. SC members are next and get allocated a seat After that, the rest go into a ballot where they literally just randomise the membership numbers and deduct the money from the account of the successful numbers chosen. They then publish the results on ticketek.com.au if you want to have a look) to get access to a seat in one of 9 different price categories  (from $150 for standing room to $390 for category 1, which would be the equivalent to my AFL members seat for $190 ) with no way of choosing which category as it was all subject to a ballot. We also had to register together to have our seats together. The registration period was the Thursfay before the GWS game and it was $5 to register per person, not refundable if we lost. One of my friends registered straight away, before we realised we had to register together to sit together. So it was an easy choice to wait for the AFL members sale the morning after the GWS game as I knew I'd be guaranteed a pretty awesome seat for way less money. One of my friends in the ballot got a seat around 10 rows from the ground of the top deck behind the goals at the Punt Road end for around $250 or so and one of them got standing room tickets in the ballot for $150.  I assume the pricing structure for Sydney would be relatively similar but you could probably add maybe an extra $100 to the bottom and upper range of the tickets for them.

    MCC members have an even better deal, where for a large portion of the membership it is either $30 to reserve a seat and go into a seperate MCC ballot, or rock up to the ground at 8am in the morning and just take a seat. An old lawyer at my work has been a full MCC member since the 60's and has only missed 2 Grand Finals since becoming a member. They have something like 13,000 reserved seats and 8,000 walk up seats. The wait list to be even a restricted member is now in the 20+ year mark. Before the 1993 Grand Final I went with my family to the MCG open day tour and they had a deal going where you could nominate to be a member without needing 2 full members to support your application which is still the case today. You simply had to write down who you wanted to register and they went straight to the bottom of the waiting list which at that time was around 10 or so years. For some unknown reason my mother didnt put our names down, even though she is a staunch Collingwood supporter and had been a member since the 70's. To this day I still remind her that we would have gotten an MCC membership in around 2002 when I turned 16, because my Godfather did put his and his daughters name down when we went and that is when they got theirs. My best friend was put on in the mid 90's and he got his in 2008. The yearly membership dues are around $400-$500, but is by far the best deal for sports in Australia if you can somehow get access to it.

    The rest of the seats are only really available thru corporate packages, where it is around $600 to $2,500. Most include either a Grand Final breakfast of some description (generally just a local comedian/sportsmen as the M.C interviewing a couple of guest while people eat overpriced croissants) or a lunch before the game at like middayish with the same sort of entertainment. The seats thru those packages can be good but they can be pretty garbage.

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