MavsFan77
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2 hours ago, RIPPA said:
And per Wojo - after meeting with them, Doc is now the front runner
D'Antoni remains the other choice
D’Antoni should thank his lucky stars that Doc got fired then. That 76ers job is terrible, and one I wouldn’t wish on any quality coach.
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7 hours ago, Lawful Metal said:
Miami in 5
I can’t wait for Dolfan to kick you out of this thread. Between your post where you spend 95% of it kissing AD and Lebron’s asses then picking Miami in 4, then now picking Miami in 5. It’s clear you’re doing your usual terrible troll job, and it’s not even funny.
At least my Miami in 6 pick was a legit pick, and one I’ll stand by. Plus what happened to Dwight being unplayable? You’re by far the dumbest poster in this topic.
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10 minutes ago, RIPPA said:
Welp - Triple H confirmed today that Knox did indeed tear her ACL again. She already had the surgery to fix it
Great now Rovert is going to meltdown on Twitter again.
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6 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said:
Dragon is so weird because some games he's shooting lights out, other games, he's just a dime machine. Crowder was at one point on pace to shatter the 3 Pt Made for any Heat Postseason and then he just suddenly went ice cold.
Crowder is there to stop LeBron. That's priority 1-100 for him. Any points he gets is gravy.
If I'm choosing between them, I'd go with Goran.
Thanks for the help. I had similar thoughts on Crowder, but I feel safer knowing someone that’s seen more Miami games than I have this season feels that way.
And I also asked for help as I apparently suck at FanDuel.
Last night I played a $3 contest for the MNF game. I used my MVP slot on Mahomes, and I picked Hardman, Hill, and Tucker since you have to pick at least one from each team. For my last slot I was between Edwards-Helaire and Kelce. So like an idiot I picked Kelce, and came in tied for 12th (winning $98). If I’d went with Edwards-Helaire I’d have been in a 3 way tie for first and have won $2,750. This was after Saturday when I chose Murray and Rondo over AD and Caruso (which would have netted me $2,500 for a $3 investment).
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5 hours ago, Lawful Metal said:
So when his team fails because of Playoff P it’s on him, but when yours fails spectacularly it’s never on Harden? Okay nice narrative.
As for the rest of that mess of tweets it can F right off. Especially with Doc somehow being a victim when it’s not Kawhi’s fault the guy coaches like crap.
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11 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said:
Dolfan out of curiosity, and also to hopefully win myself some money which of those two do you see having a bigger game 1 tomorrow? I know I’m using Bam, Dragic, and both of them but I’m not sure which one I should use in the 1.5x points slot. Also do you think Dragic is a better choice than Crowder? That was my toughest choice.
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It will be interesting to see what team hires Doc (and in turn is willing to blow a 3-1 lead in the playoffs since he’s the king of that now).
I could see him being a fit in Houston as he doesn’t really hold people accountable on the defensive end, and that fits their style pretty well. Plus they love going for big name coaches (D’Antoni, JVG).
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1 hour ago, Lawful Metal said:
Miami will go small and McGee and Dwight will be unplayable. Just like in the Rockets series.
Well you’re also the same genius that wrote a post basically blowing both Lebron and AD then you picked Miami in 4 so I’m not gonna put much stock in any of your projections.
To be clear I’d say Miami wins in 6, but I don’t see Dwight being unplayable. He’ll at least give AD some rest, and (badly) attempt to guard Bam while doing that. In order for him not to play at all like you’re suggesting either AD has to play 40+ minutes or Miami has to sit Bam for more minutes than AD does, and there’s no convincing argument for either of those happening.
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16 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said:
And give credit to Denver. Jokic in foul trouble and Murray with a knee contusion. Still fought to the bitter end.
That was my biggest takeaway. How much heart that team showed last night.
If they can keep this group together long term they’ll be a serious force soon. Porter needs to cut down on the stupid fouls, and ideally they’d retain Jerami Grant.
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16 minutes ago, nofuture said:
I'm guessing the Fandango purposely convoluted tag match leading to a future tag match was somewhat a rib on their own creative.
Any guesses on what that weird vignette with the "Takeover is ours" thing. I'd assume returning former NXT champs, but really have no idea.
God help us all, but I have a feeling it could be Retribution invading Takeover. Since they’re all former NXT wrestlers too.
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At least the main event for Takeover 31 is something new and fresh. Plus considering how awesome the last Candice vs Io Takeover match was I’m quite happy with the women’s battle royal winner.
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1 hour ago, Beech27 said:
I’m offering up one metric that is easily available, commonly understood, and with a baseline of credibility. It depicts, or attempts to, how strong a team was, not just how positively we rate remembered names. I’m not saying it’s right in every case, or even (necessarily) in the cases shown. I didn’t even present an argument with it; I just posted the graph. ELO also says Jordan had a much tougher road getting to the finals. Basically, it jives with the narrative most people adhere to for both careers. I think that’s interesting. (And broadly, I think it’s correct.) If you have preferred statistics, go ahead and suggest them. But I’m not going to retroactively invent League Pass for the early 90s, and watch ever Suns, Sonic, and Blazers game.
Hypotheticals we can’t confirm in this case are: 1) who had better supporting casts; 2) how would Jordan and LeBron have faired against one another’s competitors; 3) whether Dan Majerle was better than post-prime Jason Kidd, etc. You’re saying Jordan would not have lost a series with Wade and Bosh; I’m just saying we can’t be sure, about that, or any of this. Pretending otherwise is extreme bias.
Insults being, for one, “so called King.” It’s not overly harsh, but it’s also not productive rhetoric.
Okay here’s a hypothetical, and one that I hope won’t be harsh or seem insulting towards Lebron (or you). If you were picking a duo for a star to play with would you pair them with 97-98 Pippen and Rodman or 10-11 Wade and Bosh?
I think that’s actually something that could spark debate on both sides, and would put into perspective the teammates both stars had for champion seasons (yes I know Miami didn’t win the title that year, but it was their first year together so it works from that point of view).
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2 hours ago, ohtani's jacket said:
Jason Kidd wasn't a nobody. Shawn Marion and Peja Stojakovic, weren't nobodies either. The Mavs were old, they only had one All-Star, they didn't have a second star, and their supporting cast didn't look like championship material, I'll give you that. They had great coaching, though (Carlisle, Terry Stotts and Dwayne Casey.) Casey drew up an excellent game plan against LeBron, which basically forced him out onto the perimeter where he had to rely on his jumper (which wasn't very good at the time.) When I said Dallas had been knocking on the door, I meant Dirk-led Dallas teams had been contenders for a while. I shouldn't have implied that this particular Dallas team had been knocking on the door, as no-one saw them as a contender at the beginning of the 2010-11 season.
I was taking about the 2015 Finals where Love and Irving were injured.
Coming back and winning a title after you lose in the Finals is always a testament to a team's toughness. I don't care who the opponent is. It's a tough thing to do. But apparently none of LeBron's successes count. They're all series he should have won, and the times when he lost are damning. You better get your excuses ready for this season now because you're gonna need them.
Peja played 26 minutes over the course of a six game series. That’s why I didn’t count him. I always thought he was amazing in Sacramento. If I were to throw another name out there with Kidd I’d have said Jason Terry, but I don’t consider him to be a star either. You’re 100% right about their amazing coaching staff. Carlisle has always been one of the best coaches in the league, and he’s usually had at least one quality assistant (or two as you pointed out). Not to sound like a pompous ass (which I’m sure I will), but that year my friend and I went to the Coaches Versus Cancer NCAA basketball games at MSG. That same night Bill Simmons was doing a book signing at Barnes and Noble next door to The Garden. So I wore my Mavs hoodie, and headed over to meet him, and get my book signed (not his basketball one, but his Red Sox book). I had to buy a basketball one too so he asked how I wanted it signed. I showed him my sweatshirt, and told him he should sign it to my name, and write that the Mavs would be NBA champions that year. You should have seen how hard he laughed when he was signing it.
Ah those Cavs. I’ll admit I felt for him once they got hurt just like I felt for Curry last year when he lost Klay (after losing KD). Nobody should have to go 1 on 3 (or 4).
His wins definitely count. It’s just that beating a pre prime Thunder team isn’t something worthy of praise. This year if he beats Miami or Boston then he deserves whatever praise you and everyone else give him. Both of those are quality teams with star players in their prime (Butler and Bam, or Tatum and Brown). The only year I’m begrudging him is the win versus Golden State as I don’t see that happening if Draymond wasn’t suspended. I’m not going to go full Skip Bayless, and bitch about Ray Allen saving him versus San Antonio as Lebron carried them that entire fourth quarter. Plus it’s not his fault Pop took Duncan out on defense.
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7 minutes ago, Beech27 said:
Show me where I touted ELO as the be all, end all. I presented one data point, because metrics provide context that raging about eye tests don’t. (The data do not confirm my priors, and are therefor trash, is a bad argument.)
Further, I think Jordan is better than LeBron. I said that above. Please explain how I’m biased and searched out a stat that would make LeBron look better.
Or maybe, maybe, you could accept nuance, and not devolve into petty insults and sure statements about unknowable hypotheticals.
You’re offering up a selective metric that shows somehow Lebron faced better Finals competition, yet said metric doesn’t even know who played on said teams. As I said there’s no way that Mavs team had better players than the 18 Warriors. I’d love to see anyone debate that with me.
What are the hypotheticals with this? You trotted out a metric, and I’m disputing its credibility. It’s ether a good metric or it’s not. A hypothetical would be us discussing who was better the Big 3 in Miami or MJ, Pippen, and Rodman? Since we never got to see those teams play one another, and there’s good and actual arguments on both sides. I’m not sure I wouldn’t say Miami’s guys weren’t the better trio.
As for your earlier points I fail to see how my saying Lebron is #2 all time to be anything other than praise, nor is it my misrepresenting facts.
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1 hour ago, Jiji said:
I have him as my #1 but it's more a stylistic preference. I just have a fondness of that early to mid 90s NBA as a kid and have enjoyed watching old games now and again. Is there really a huge gap between Jordan, James, and Kareem?
Kareem and the other two comes down to style of play for sure. Then again that’s the case of comparing any big to a guard or small forward. I’d definitely agree with Kareem being in the top 3 for sure though. Just for me I’d place him behind MJ and Lebron (in that order).
And before Fowler tells me that oh Lebron is the best in year 17. Well how are we to know MJ wouldn’t have been had he not been out of the league for almost two years in the early 90’s, and retired at the end of the 90’s? We do know he was still the best 14 years after he came into the league. If we want to get technical his year 14 (where he won his 6th title) would be equivalent to Lebron’s year 17 when you account for Jordan having played three years (and won a National Title) at North Carolina. But hey a Lebron was “too good” for college, and got to play for the Cavs instead. Plus age wise it matches up. So there’s no real point in trying to turn this in Lebron’s favor.
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1 hour ago, Beech27 said:
That's my thing. I'd put Jordan number 1. I'd listen to anyone putting those three in any order, though. I just don't think anyone needs to bury LeBron (or whomever) or misrepresent facts--such as they are--to support their arguments. (I get that ELO isn't a "fact" per se, but it's more objective than playing "let's remember some guys". I love doing that. But.)
Exactly. You’re touting ELO like it’s the be all end all. We all have eyes, and there’s no way the Baby Thunder were that hard an opponent for Miami and their big 3. Hell just seeing the 11 Mavs ahead of the 18 Warriors tells me all I need to know about that garbage metric.
Theres less than a zero percent chance Dirk and those guys were better than Steph, KD, Klay, and Draymond all in their primes. But yes please give me more metrics that prove whatever you’re aiming for.
Plus this direct quote from your chosen article proves my point about Lebron’s cake walk to the Finals most years:
If you take every team that Jordan and James faced in the East, you'll find that it's Jordan who faced the stiffer competition in rounds leading up to the Finals.
Eight of the toughest 11 opponents belong to Jordan and if you limit it to just the years in which they reached the Finals, six of the top eight were MJ opponents.
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20 hours ago, ohtani's jacket said:
Jordan only went through Detroit in his first Finals run. In '92, Detroit lost to the Knicks.
The Jordan comparisons are tiresome. Nobody holds it against Jordan that he kept getting bumped from the playoffs by the Celtics and the Pistons because he had to get over the hump. If LeBron had a team that stood in his way, people would like that more because that's the classic narrative. But if you look a bit closer at what LeBron has accomplished in the playoffs. he has generally gotten payback on the teams that beat him. That includes the Pistons in '07, the Celtics in '09 & '11, the Spurs in '13 and the Warriors in '16.
I think LeBron could have won the 2011 title and the 2015 title if the Cavs had been healthy. The fact that he won the 2012 and 2016 titles after those disappointments is a testament to his competitiveness. People love to take LeBron down a notch, but you can't point out the meltdowns and the poor performances in deciding games without also highlighting the resilience. LeBron coming back and beating the Pistons, Celtics, Spurs and Warriors was ever bit as tough as the Bulls finally getting past the Pistons.
2011 was a loss a lot of people took enjoyment in because nobody really wanted the Heat to win. Dirk was phenomenal throughout those playoffs. It was my favorite playoff run since Hakeem. I wouldn't exactly call his teammates nobodies, at least not to regular NBA fans. I mean he had Jason Kidd on his team fro crying out loud. Dallas had been knocking on the door for years. Personally, the Warriors winning in 2015 was more of a surprise. It wasn't like they had been a perennial contender up until that point, and they didn't really explode until after they won the title.
The thing that bugs me about the Jordan/LeBron finals record comparison is that Jordan didn't face teams as good as the Spurs or the Warriors. He beat an injured and fading Lakers team (not prime Showtime Lakers) and his run was over before the Shaq/Kobe Lakers were established. We never got to see the Bulls vs. the Rockets in the Finals. For the most part, Jordan got the equivalent of the 2011 Dallas team each time. Maybe deeper rosters on those opponents, but basically Drexler or Barkley playing the role of Dirk. If LeBron had gotten a few more looks at teams like that, he would have more championships.
Jason Kidd who was in freaking year 17 of his career in 2011. You’re talking as if he was first Dallas run, or NBA Finals run in New Jersey Kidd. And how had Dallas been “knocking on the door” they’d only been in the finals once, and that was 5 years prior.
To try to say that Kevin Johnson and Dan Majerle were somehow equivalent to that really old Kidd is an insult to both of them too. Same with Terry Porter and Jerome Kersey. Just because MJ handled his business every time doesn’t give the wannabe King a free pass. He still had Wade and Bosh and lost. Jordan would have never lost with that duo.
And what does the 11 title have to do with the Cavs health? That’s the one he lost to Dallas once he was already in Miami.
2012 isn’t a testament to anything either. You’re starting to sound like Lawful with these silly statements. 2012 he beat up on the baby Thunder. If even two of the three were in their prime Miami would have got it handed to them again.
The same can be said of those Celtic teams you’re bragging that he got by in 09 and 11. By 2011 KG was an antique. He was finishing up year 16 of his career, and nowhere near the force he was in Minnesota. But hey big props to Lebron for beating him, Pierce, and Allen in 11 while having Bosh and Wade with him. Gee I wonder which trio was much younger and more athletic???
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17 hours ago, Brian Fowler said:
On one hand, the only year LeBron lost that I think you can really credibly argue that his team should've won is 2011.
On the other, I think he has two (2013 and 2016) that he won despite playing against a superior team.
It's the same argument people made a lot about "Montana never lost a Super Bowl so Brady can't be better than him" even as Brady got 50% more rings and over double as many conference titles.
Setting aside Russell's obvious 11-1 Finals record, I'll take Kareem's 6-4 over literally every other player every, insomuch that a Finals record is a good basis for a GOAT argument.
Right now, 3-6 is still impressive as hell, but if LeBron picks up a couple more rings, it's gonna add a lot to his argument. In the unlikely event he actually were to get 3 more, 6-6 would be the most impressive Russell. I don't think that'll happen unless the Lakers somehow get one more guy, but as long we're talking hypotheticals...
EDIT: As for the weak conference thing, nobody bags on Magic and Kareem for dominating a piss poor West.
16 he won, because he whined and cried and got Draymond kicked out for a game. That’s why he won that series. And I’m not sure the 13 Spurs were the better team. Kawhi wasn’t near his peak yet. Once he had another year of experience we got to see what happened, and Miami did lose.
The Montana vs Brady thing is a terrible comparison to MJ vs Lebron too, and one that’s usually brought up by Lebron homers. Montana had Rice, and Brady has never had weapons like that. Plus he’s won two more Super Bowls so yeah Brady deserves to be considered the GOAT. On the flip side Lebron has had more prime help than MJ ever did (his two little buddies in Miami were both still in their prime, and AD certainly is now) so it’s not fair to say oh he made 9 finals, has a beyond terrible record in them, but because he made it 9 times he’s GOAT. Hell MJ having to go through Detroit in his first two finals trips was harder than anything Lebron ever faced in the East. Plus he’ll always carry that unexplainable 2011 finals loss to Dallas.
Any of you that want to put him in the GOAT argument instead of just letting him be #2 need to explain how he and his two clown friends lost to Dirk and a bunch of nothing in a best of 7 (that only went 6 games besides). Or how Lebron only averaged the third most points on his team, and 4 turnovers a game in that series. When did Jordan ever choke that bad against a Finals opponent that only had one star?
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46 minutes ago, ohtani's jacket said:
There's no guarantee KD will win a ring with Brooklyn, and nobody knows how well he'll come back from the injury, but I can easily see him changing teams. I think we're going to see top players changing teams and potentially winning multiple championships with different organizations. I don't really care about the GOAT argument. I think LeBron will solidify himself in the top five, especially now that he's beginning to own so many playoff records. As far as his finals record goes, if he gets to five then I don't think it will matter. If he stays at 3, or maybe even 4, people will have a case for him underachieving.
I’m not arguing against him being considered second best behind MJ. I’m saying his finals record isn’t anything special compared to the other greats.
Also I agree that multiple top guys will switch teams to try to win titles. But as Kyrie Irving has shown (not that I’d say he’s a top 10 player, but he’s probably top 20-25) it’s not a guarantee of a ring or success.
I wasn’t trying to guarantee KD would win a ring in Brooklyn either. I was refuting your idea that he’ll somehow get rings with 3 teams when he only has a ring with one so far.
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39 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said:
A 5-6 record in the Finals is way the fuck more impressive than 5-2, imo.
Why? Getting there the majority of those times in the (much) weaker conference isn’t impressive at all. What competition did Lebron supposedly have in the East? At least when Kobe made the finals he was always doing it in the better conference.
Plus there’s still no guarantee he’ll even make (let alone win) two more. He’s 3-6 now so what’s to say the number when he’s done isn’t 3-7 or 3-8, or maybe 4-7?
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3 hours ago, ohtani's jacket said:
I actually think LeBron winning a championship with a third team would solidify his place in history. The knock on LeBron has always been his finals record. If the Lakers win this year things start looking a lot better. And they could easily go back-to-back. Five rings would put him level with a bunch of other all-time greats. The difference being that he did it with three different teams. People would start to look at that as something special and unique. And possibly, a sign of the future if Kawhi or KD manage to do it too.
Wait so you’re suggesting KD win a title in Brooklyn then team hop again? Because so far he only has a ring with one team.
And even if Lebron somehow gets to five (which I find highly unlikely) he’d still have an under .500 record in the finals. Kobe wasn’t that bad in the finals, Magic wasn’t that bad, MJ sure as hell wasn’t that bad. So I think he’s still at most playing for #2 all time.
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5 hours ago, ohtani's jacket said:
You have to wait until it's 3-1 Lakers to see anything from Denver.
If they get down 3-1 again the only thing we’ll see from Denver is a return flight back to Colorado scheduled for the day after Game 5. I don’t like Lebron, but he’s not gonna choke away a 3-1 lead.
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7 hours ago, Brian Fowler said:
Giannis Is basically right where LeBron was after 2010. Back to Back MVPs, pretty well established as the best day to day player in the NBA, a pair of playoff flops as the number 1 seed...
(Minus the trip to the finals, obviously)
Obviously, it worked out well for LeBron in the end. Interesting to see where Giannis goes from here.
So using this criteria it would seem to suggest the Bucks will win the Finals next year, and maybe another one with him. Then he’ll team hop to somebody else, win only one ring, and then team hop yet again to chase a third or fourth ring.
God I hate the Lebron style of play as opposed to being loyal to a team, and actually trying to make said team better (like MJ, Bird, and Magic all did or more recently Duncan, Kobe, and Dirk).
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2 hours ago, Zimbra said:
Folks, you truly love to see it.
And just to make sure none of you vultures get the satisfaction: GIANNIS TO THE KNICKS CONFIRMED!!~!
So are they trading all twelve players on the active roster plus their next five first round picks for him?
That might be enough to get the Bucks to give him up.
The 2020 NBA Finals: Los Angeles vs. Miami
in BASKETBALL
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Why because you like his crap posts? I’m sorry I can’t post something dumb as often as he does, especially crap that’s just to jab at an Admin when his team already lost a game, and their three best players all got injured (Bam, Dragic, and Butler).
He should have been told off after that stupid as shit post singing the praises of Lebron and AD when he bashes literally every skilled player that’s not on the Rockets any other time. Then in the same post he’s dumb enough to pick Miami in 4 thinking he’s cute only to follow it up with stupid shit (that I called him out for, and last nights game proved) about Dwight Howard being a complete liability, and being “unplayable” in this series.
But yeah you do you, and stick up for that tool.