BloodyChamp
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Big Sal is still alive.
Would anybody happen to have a list of overall wearing wrestlers? I’m trying to figure out a match I saw on TV on a late Saturday or Sunday night when I was very young. I don’t think it was Hillbilly Jim.
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On 6/1/2023 at 9:54 PM, The Natural said:
Said it before and will again, I'd be fucked without the National Health Service especially with the Cerebral Palsy. My late great Mum with her multiple health conditions as well.
I have CP to!
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I agree that the execution of the plan was what was bad about that Royal Rumble, not the plan. Bob Backlun stopping and easing himself over the top rope didn’t look any better and didn’t help.
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Garvin/Valentine had a 1986 JCP feel to it, and I’m not just imagining that because it had Tony Schiavone on commentary. When Garvin hit him with the death blow the crowd even let out a JCP “OoOoOoOoO” noise like they used to do.
How about The Rock n Roll Express vs The British Bulldogs? That gets unfairly lumped in with washed up vs washed up matches but that’s not what it was. I agree that the match could have been better but not because anybody was that washed. The Rock n Roll Express were playing off the crowd like they always do. For whatever reason, that crowd was just flat. So they just mat wrestled for 30 minutes instead which was still pretty good. Ricky Morton’s not clean shaved looked like a ran over pile of dog shit I will admit that.
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Ronnie has 10 years or so on most of the old guys we talk about. For a guy to be as good enough as he was through the years is impressive. When I learned how old he was I didn’t judge him. He was probably a good worker at 1 time and in any event he was always over even if the championship didn’t work out.
Also Rick Martell was never what I’d call bad. He just wasn’t pushed storylinewise and stuff. Then when he came back in 1998 the storyline push he got was basically “this is that guy that was in the WWF forever with no storylIne” lol! He was still pretty good then really and it was cool seeing him show up looking like this regular guy with short hair and a smile lol! He seemed to enjoy in when he came back. It’s to bad he got hurt.
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26 minutes ago, Dolphman 3000 said:
Wrestlers without pensions having to give up their most intimate thoughts on camera for a case of beer and $500 to make ends meet might not be the happiest people
Maybe he should drink the beer first like the happy interview wrestlers do.
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Valentine’s definitely somebody you think of when you hear the word “wrestler” for many little reasons but his shoots destroyed any hope of becoming a fan for me. He’s as negative as Honky and Superstar combined, but it’s with the intensity of some of his matches.
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I haven’t seen the WM match but I’m not shocked about that hot take considering what I know about this sport that I’ve followed for forever. I’ve heard the story about what made the match great/taboo a million times. It’s on my list of darkhorses to check out.
I haven’t seen the Ric Flair brawl with the drop kick either but IIRC I saw a 10 minute or so highlight reel of it on YouTube. That looked like one of Flair’s best matches even.
I’ve seen the Dog Collar match but I need to rewatch it. I seen it as a bloodthirsty 90s fan and was underwhelmed.
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RIP to the GOAT. I liked what he had to say in 2017 also.
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I thought it was Michael Hayes. It could have been that he had the first music that a wrestler performed himself, or first video clip, or something else besides just theme music though. Or I could just be wrong period which has been known to happen.
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39 minutes ago, BrianS81177 said:
Did anyone else ever see the "20 years too soon" DVD that WWE put out about Graham? Because boy was that on the money. I'd argue he was even 10 years too soon. You take the 1975 version from this video and drop him in 1985 and he's a nationwide star within a year.
When Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, Jesse Ventura and Scott Steiner all copy from you, you're doing something right.
I might be imagining this but I think I remember reading that Vince produced this DVD hands on himself, George Lucas style, because Billy was his favorite wrestler. It was 1 of the few things that Vince made happen simply because he just wanted to, that didn’t involve flexing, gloating, etc.
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Theme music??? That’s a Hulk Hogan tier lie. Now here as I think about it, maybe it’s not though because for some reason the person who I remember inventing theme music in wrestling seems like to easy of a guess but I’m pretty sure he’s who I read did it more than once.
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I don’t remember that but I don’t doubt it. For a while there his column was some kind of trip. It’s actually amazing that he’s managed to live it down. I’m proud of him for doing so though. He doesn’t deserve to be judged for what flew out of his mouth after...you know.
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I don’t think Hogan was wheezing while walking yet in 1993 like he was in 1997 when he claimed another wrestler wasn’t in good enough shape to go over him, but he was no youngun either. I’m taking Bret in whatever kind of real fight it is from boxing to wrestling in 1993. I’m taking a few people who weren’t what we call shooters. Hogan was pussyass bitch. Who has to be a shooter to deal with him?
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Flair says he stole the turnbuckle flip things he does from Ray, but that he didn’t even do it as good because of his back. And a few other people have talked about him doing some flip.
I did find a match today that was pretty good I thought. Him vs a young Curt Hennig.
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Does anybody have a link off the top of their head to Ray Stevens doing his turnbuckle flip thing? I’ve never seen it or a match of his and his name has came up twice in my reading today, and both times it reminded of what Flair said about him many times.
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I found this and it was a cool sign of the times. I was thinking about football a little more today than I had for a while after the local news had a special about my Seminoles here. So I laughed at Luger’s football comparison lol he was so right, on the football part anyway.
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I’ll tell you what I loved the heck out of as a youngun - Pillman and Z-Man. They were such a breath of fresh air to see on weekly TV doing all those cool moves against jobbers. Yes we already had heartthrob tag teams but they were all established so they weren’t on TV much, and when they were it was just to get cheated out of winning the main event.
They were over to, big time. Another 1 of those cool things to say to sound smart is that they were not. I do know of the problems they eventually had but not being over wasn’t 1 of them.
Also just so I don’t sound like a total mark I’ll add that while Zenk shouldn’t be judged for leaving the WWF, Rick Martel shouldn’t be tuned out for the negative things he’s since said about it. Even with good reason, I’d be pretty mad if my partner left me hanging just before we were about to be the top good guy team in the biggest promotion.
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I wouldn’t say Z-Man lacked charisma or babyface charm. He was over big time for a long time, and he could dang sure work for a guy his size. He was so good that you didn’t notice how big he was.
The WWF machine just wasn’t for him so he hit the road, but alot of good wrestlers did that. Then he rubbed Ole wrong, which alot of good wrestlers did to.
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Zenk was 1 of the first old rasslers to discover the internet and read what he saw on it with a tad to much intensity, and get a tad mad about it. Therefore he got an unfair reputation of being a turd. Here we are now in year number 100 it seems like that people find it charming when wrestlers act like him on the internet.
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This is the first I’ve heard of this. RIP Dean.
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Sting was a heel in the UWF like mentioned, and he was a heel in 1999 in WCW. He was also a really freaking mad, out of touch, desperate for attention babyface in TNA IIRC. But not like cool mad where the crowd cheers. It was similar to Eddie’s heel turn in WCW, or Ric Flair more than once. The end result was siding with the heels or something but Idk.
I don’t usually count the shortlived misses in the discussions but Sting had 3 so he counts IMO.
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It sounds impossible but...Tom Zenk?
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Good ole boy club. They probably have another name for it among diva footballs players.
June 2023 Wrestling Discussion
in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING
Posted · Edited by BloodyChamp
Pretty sure it wasn’t Grizzly Smith lol I’m not quite that old but I’ll have to see if it’s any of the others. As far as Grizzly Smith working in WCW as an agent, I just assumed he knew somebody who gave him a seat to shine with his rear. That seems to be what every WCW agent ever was.