BloodyChamp

Also I have no idea what I’ve done with this double post lol! So I’ll add 1 more thing that just so perfectly, ironically, and unironically explains how great Hall was and how it relates to how messed up WCW was. All this talk about doing business and how Hall was the best at it...you know who was the first guy to finally lose to Sting like they were supposed to? Yep Hall. Went right out there and did business the FIRST time. First guy to lose to the Steiners in that awesome, underrated match that’s overshadowed by the fact that the rest of that show didn’t quite work out. Then even dusted himself off and went out there and lost to Goldberg just so Hogan didn’t have to do that by himself. Sting and the Steiners. The top face and the top team face. Then of course Goldberg was the top face by then. Nobody else did it but him. And he was awesome for it.

Jim Cornette said something on his little tribute that is 100% true. First he repeated what Jim Ross said which is true, that Hall had a great wrestling mind. He went on to explain that Hall only later became what he was surrounded by, referring to the idiots he hung out with. That is so true. Hall had a GOAT wrestling mind. He practiced the basics like losing when it was time to lose, keeping his hair fixed (Bobby Heenan’s confessed secret to be great if you remember), the toothpick. And yes doing business belongs on that list. It didn’t used to be this big dramatic thing if you were good enough to do it like Hall was. Also this thread can’t be without a gif of this greatness. https://imgur.com/gallery/kTjksYe

They’re talking about him on the Sirius Liquid Metal show that uses his sound bites and the NWO theme. I can’t believe I forgot the name of it.

That last good run in 1988 saved Dusty’s entire legacy perhaps. He wasn’t hated, but people were just plain not impressed and uninterested, and he got Hacksaw Jim Duggan in WCW type cheers. But that last run was cool as heck. Would he have actually pinned 1 of the Road Warriors had he not been fired? That’s something I’ve always wondered.

I didn’t agree with some of the stuff he had to say in his informal shoots (WWE DVD interviews, Darkside of the Ring etc) and he came off as Mic Foley crybabyish over a couple issues but besides that it was great listening to him. I mention that now only to reinforce that I mean what I say when I say he was great, and that I’m not just laying it on thick. Because besides that he was great. He was so dang great and I loved him.

I wasn’t a fan of Hall losing to Hectar Garza then Chris Jericho (in the middle of his heel turn wtf...so dumb). It was obviously WCW just trying to copy old WWF thing number 4000 and it didn’t accomplish jack. That was me rooting for WCW vs WWF. Forgetting who I was rooting for now that it’s over though, here’s why it was awesome. Hall was just like do a job? Like lose? Ok. Because I can do that and still be great. Meanwhile his pal is busy booking himself to be champion. I hope he’s learned now that heart attacks aren’t something to joke about btw. Hogan, Warrior, Savage who went crazy there at the end. This was all going on at the same time. Hall’s mere return was the main event of a ppv somewhere in the middle of all that and how did that end? He did the job. This will sound like I’m laying it on to thick and I can’t prove it but I also believe Hall never lost sight of 1 of the basic things about wrestling that wasn’t repeated enough. Every now and then somebody would up and drop this on a radio show or something but not often. I’ll quote or paraphrase Saturn who was 1 of the few to mention it. I say paraphrase because I don’t remember it exactly but it was something like “anybody who complains about losing a fight that isn’t real is a fucking pussy.” I think Hall knew that, and even got a kick out of it with his almost Curt Hennig type overselling, his comedy relief, and his 9000 TV jobs lol!

@ebbie a girl in my very small graduating class was in love with him. I don’t remember him being an all around favorite with the girls but apparently when 1 got fixated on him there was no fighting it lol! Leader of the Pack by the Shangri-Las type thing going on.

All the way down to the eff ups. Was he the last great “nothing bothers me which makes you hate me more” heel? This has me thinking about that all of a sudden.

Seen ??? But also...whew...for reason already discussed. ??? I’ll never forget Scott appearing on Nitro in the middle of that match. He was the perfect guy for that seemingly small but huge moment. It had to be somebody big enough to get that immediate heat but not somebody to big to blow it. It made you wonder if it was what it looked like but it didn’t give it away. The birth and upbringing of the NWO was really some of the best wrestling TV ever done, overshadowed by how it ended. Scott Hall was the main reason it went so well. He was the 1 guy in the trenches doing the tricky work until payoff time.

It was such a good chokeslam that it didn’t look like a chokeslam, if that makes any sense. It looked like something you would do in a fight because it looked that good. It wasn’t feet set, grab neck, lift guy by his ass while he doesn’t fight back and finally chokeslam. He was also a GOAT puncher. I have said that many times.

Eh...he’s right but it’s also a little early to take some kind of stand IMO. Otherwise I would be saying what I think of Nash’s comments.

I agree that if he passes now, and if he has truly came back around from having went all the way around the wrong way, that this is sad for us at worst. Otherwise it will be a day of rejoicing. He won’t be in pain anymore and he’ll be moving on having paid up. I’m not the judge but if I were that would be good enough for me and I think it will be good enough for the real judge.

That version of Scott Hall was a part of 1 of either the most unintentionally funny promos of all time, or the most intentionally funny promo of all time. It was 1 of those promos that was so funny for so many different reasons that it’s impossible to tell of it was a brilliant wrestling promo or a giant disgrace to the sport. It was posted in the promo thread recently and not everybody agreed on it’s qualities but to me that one is right up there with the Ultimate Warrior before WM, Flair’s funniest mad promos, etc in just absolute hilarity and craziness. More on him later if it comes time to for us all to post in rememberance. I saw about Virgil but I also saw where somebody mentioned we might should pump the brakes on that.

This is the first I’ve heard about this. I’ll have more to add later but obviously for now I just hope he’ll be ok.

This is about as good as it gets between 2 heavyweights, heavyweights who are just a few pounds shy of being super heavyweights no less, in the normally allowed TV time. You couldn’t have crammed another big move into this or more intensity in general. The same goes for offsetting qualities. This also had comedy relief and a GOAT 1 liner to start the match from BPP. The typical result when you put 2 machines in the ring really. I obviously love all the fun TV but it’s a shame that’s how so much good stuff came and went.

ttps://youtu.be/J3MkuJdfPw4 I took the first h off of this just in case. I’m sure everybody has seen the guy in this video, the purple wrestling jacket wearing little man who curses, makes racial slurs, and everything else in between. He looks just like Jumpin Jeff Farmer. Is this also him?

You know...it doesn’t take very many mental gymnastics to conclude that Florida took down both the NWA and WCW. That’s a joke. Not really. But kinda lol!

I haven’t seen this but it’s on my list of things. I needed a place to dump something that I think most people will read and think, “I could see that” even though it will have never occurred to them at any other time. Flair was a face champion when I first watched wrestling and retained it week to week. The move where he flipped over the turnbuckle after being whipped in, ran to the next corner then hit a move off the top was right up there was the other holy shit moves by the standards of 1989. I saw that for the first time and thought it was as cool as the Frankensteiner, monnsault, etc. And I thought nobody else could do it, which we didn’t realize was the point of many moves. Most people saw that move for the first time while he was a heel which meant it was countered. That’s a shame because it was a cool move that’s proof of Flair’s underrated list of moves.

Is there anything the WCW didn’t do that was AWESOME!?!?!?!? ...that they never did again? Why lol!

I agree about Scott being 1 of the last guys to be truly unpredictable. The BPP character is right up there with freaking Bruiser Brody and Abdullah the Butcher in that cornerstone of wrestling regard. It’s not associated with those masters because his character was so different than theirs and the other guys out of the truly unpredictable stack but it should be and is to me. I’m also aware of the story of Scott not wanting to break up the tag team but looking at that a little deeper, that was smart by Scott and not dumb. What would they have done with him in early 90s WCW? The TV Title? The same thing they did with every babyface for a week before some heel took it from him the same way they’d took it from every babyface in the history of the title? In addition to thinking about his brother I think he also though about that. Man imagine Scott Steiner as just another babyface lost in the shuffle. That’s as terrible as imagining him being just another heel lost in the shuffle. I remember that being on the table to but it would have just been more standardized WCW crap. BPP wouldn’t have came close to happening IMO.

Re best punches I have Bret Hart, Scott Hall and Kerry Von Erich on my best punchers list. I double taked when I first got what they called smart, at those 3 guy’s punches because they don’t fit the good punchers mold but they were that good.

More of a competitive squash but since so many of our general threads had to be closed here’s Sting busting out the somersault senton against somebody not named Vader. https://youtu.be/p1fhNE5oZl4

I would go as far as to say that Bobby was a better manager than he was an announcer, and he of course might have done the best night of color announcing ever done at the Royal Rumble. He was strictly by the book as a manager, yet his book never got boring in the middle like other books. He was always always always talking about the match. Then he would relate it to the card, then to the promotion, then to the broader picture that the promo was in such as the promoters and more including his favorite the MONEY.

??? at Terry’s smark tone about Dusty’s WRESTLING when he enunciated the word WRESTLING 7 times. He did that with the Road Warriors one time. Then he enunciates VIOLENT VILE AND STUPID! Then I don’t think Humperdink meant to fall down after that smack. He took a Foley bump on that one. Then Dusty puts his hands on Gordon which I’ve never seen anybody do, and Gordon still takes up for him lol! Terry Funk’s dialogue was very generic, but he made it sound cutting edge somehow. He could read a script written by Jack Webb and make it sound like it was rated R in the 90s.

Stafford deserves it. I don’t like some of the punks on his team, especially the few that are glorified children on the playground who throw a fit in the middle until they get to play for the team that’s winning. That’s basically how it went lol! The Bengals also deserve it. And I liked how the old man congratulated the other teams just for playing the dang game instead of some other fabricated thing. I just hope we don’t get to much Cris Collinsworth for the next 2 weeks now.