BloodyChamp

The cruiserweight division was promoted as seriously as a heart attack until about 1998. It was those guy’s belt and they wanted that belt, not other belts. That’s 1 reason the segregation type stuff worked. Then when it ended the luchadores became jobbers and the others became midcarders while the actual title was just kind of there for whatever midcarders weren’t on vacation with the TV or US Title. So at the time Jericho was right about what he said yes even though it wasn’t always that way. Also Rey Mysterio was so great. He was so great that he became an exception to all of this stuff. They just couldn’t ignore him.

Hennig turning was so dang predictable. It was the first really kinda lame thing they’d done long term since 1995. The turn was done so well though, and Flair’s dead head the following night was so badass that it saved it. And Flair’s promos after this were as good as anything he’d ever done. I know alot of people liked Jericho cutting up on TV every week but it was frustrating for me being a WCW diehard who wanted them to get it together. He’d do his thing on TV then just get buried. Then I’d hop online and hear people talking about how great it was, which only meant it’d be so much better when he leaves. Then I’d read what he would say himself on his website lol ugh...

The NFL has been WCW for a long time until this year really https://imgur.com/gallery/l1fKEMI

The closeup of Flair’s face was scary af at the time. I wish they would have done a little more with it. They didn’t even acknowledge it on TV. They just said somewhere in hour 2 that o yeah Ric is injured. I would go as far as to say that had then been exploited properly, it could have been as big of a freak out as some of the doomier stuff that Foley, Undertaker, or Jake did in the WWF. They really missed on that very good idea that somebody grabbed out of nowhere. WCW had the best ideas. I’ve said the 1000 times. They just didn’t know how to use them.

Wow...a few things in this post just blew my mind. Goldberg was a TV attraction, not a ppv attraction. Ain’t that the truth. Ratings didn’t tell all for the reasons you gave. That’s also the truth. And many boomers had switched to WWF. A personal story of mine is actually about 1 of my Dad’s friends who was a diehard WCW fan (NWA) before there were diehards and casuals. Everybody who was a fan was a diehard. He had an illegal cable or something that got all WCW ppvs free and the first ppv I ever saw was at his house thanks to my Dad arranging it with him. That was Superbrawl 91. I think I’ve told that story before but I’ve never added that once Austin got hot he never watched WCW again. I wish I could ask him if it was because he finally gave up on it after Starrcade. He’d been through the same crap like we all had. The Black Scorpion, GAB 91, The Shockmaster, etc. But he died a WWF diehard.

The Steiners have signed a legends deal according to a random sponsored FB that came across my shit. A quick Google showed a bunch of results, none of which I clicked but it must be true with so many. They’ve discontinued DVD sets right? A properly done Steiners set is 1 of my holy grails. Do they still do docs somehow? Somewhere? Just no more physical media?

Muta was also a part of my foundation as a fan that of course went all the way back to childhood. It was just like the article also said. I just plain liked his moves. I didn’t care if he was “bad.” I rooted for him because of his cool moves.

Sting has said he was bad off yes. I’m still taking him in a race around the building with Hogan in 1997. It’s not like being sober was a standard either. It should have been but it’s another discussion just like being physically attractive is. The discussion here is that the person who was supposed to do business didn’t want to. I’ll even add 1 more thing that’s been used against Sting. He didn’t want to be back on the road 24/7. Still...that hadn’t been a standard for the WCW world champion for a long time. And the current champion at the time was an example. Sting just plain should have won the match no matter what.

I can’t believe that story has survived so long on life support. The story about Sting being out of shape is nothing but something Hogan came up with, that Eric has stuck with over the years because of course his biggest fear is not being Hogan’s 4th in line when he wants somebody to suck his d*^%. Say Sting looking like crap is true...ok...lies are often fabricated from the truth of another matter. Gaslighting, leaving 1 or 2 things off the table. That doesn’t make the lie being told into the truth. It just didn’t matter. Sting had to win. Hogan didn’t want him to and that’s that. And like I said in the Montreal thread...if I could mash a button and bet on a race around the building between Sting and Hogan that night in 1997 I’m betting all the money in my pocket on Sting. And if anybody wanted to give me a loan I wouldn’t need to be persuaded much to bet on Hogan needing an ambulance halfway through the race. It’s not like that had ever been a standard for being champion anyway. Maybe it should have been, but that’s another discussion. The last champion who was both in shape and physically attractive was actually Sting...7 years ago. Jeeze we’d seen people wearing that belt who looked like they were about to die like Flair when he was sick in 1991, a man suffering from a disease (The Giant), Vader who was...Vader. Now hold on...I love those guys and I’m not judging them. I’m just showing how incredibly stupid that story is that Hogan came up with. And Hogan. Yeah Hogan was also champion on days where he could barely walk to the ring with his knee.

Hot dang that was great. I liked 3 points that he made the most. Muta was “effortlessly cool.” His moves had an “athletic snap.” That describes Muta’s exclusive way he did moves in a nutshell. There was just something neat about it. And of course Gary Hart in general. He was a part of it that had to be there even if he was never the centerpiece. Without him it probably doesn’t work initially. What was the deal at Halloween Havoc 89 seriously? Was the fire at the beginning rigged? Dumb question perhaps but if it was rigged it was random and I’ve never heard anybody take credit for the idea. That’s 1 of those ideas that a million people would take credit for over the years it seems like, similar to The Gladiators. Of course if it wasn’t rigged it’s a miracle a bunch of other things didn’t happen.

Trying to hard. Fans popped for Hogan the night he came back as the Hulkster to but...you know

Sting winning like planned would have avoided the same fate, especially if we’re assuming that everybody would have just got along and none of this had anything to do with anything but bare bones booking. Ok forget the Raven match. That still leaves 3. Scott Hall because he won WW3, Flair because that was the plan for his return originally, and Hart which had been a dream match for people for forever. Everybody knew what was going on in that building come on.

Whew I don’t know what show you were watching. That finish was a heartbreak and an insult even. You could say it killed Sting after I guess...the night after when they did a rematch that was 1 of the worst Monday main events of all time. The crowd was dead silent the whole time. Sting never actually had Hogan beat like Mankind had The Rock beat before he was hit with the chair. That’s why that win was acceptable.

I don’t know why you’re hung up what the next draw would have been. They had the 3 good enough matches already that I already said. 4 if you count Raven. When I used him as an example of another match earlier it was because the dirt sheets were saying he was going to feud with Sting for a whole second. Those matches were out there by design to headline a secondary ppv or 2 until they came up with the next big plan. They didn’t even need to have an immediate plan. They needed to finish the plan they had that they built up for 2 years. To halfway justify them not doing that because there was no giant 2 year plan up next is just dumb. Also about the crap rest of Starrcade. Yeah it definitely was that but that was Hogan’s fault to. He wussed out, so then Nash wussed out, so then Raven wussed out. We were out 3 matches that were supposed to be on the biggest show in the company’s history. Dean Malenko tried to wuss out to if you remember and Eric Bischoff’s explanation there is the biggest joke...had to put his foot down he said. Yeah that really showed everybody not getting 4 times. Only 3. Anyway that was all Hogan’s fault because none of those other guys will admit it, but they were all in with WCW back then. They had their suspicions yeah but they were all in until Hogan did what he did. That’s when they said fuck this in their hearts even though they didn’t say with their mouths right yet.

I’m so behind on everything. I just learned about Muta’s last match. I wouldn’t have guessed that they would have went all the way back to Sting and Kabuki but it’s cool as heck that they did. I don’t know how the work rate measured up but I wouldn’t doubt that it was 5 stars in the farewell payoff department. I wish we could get some kind of shoot or something with Muta and Sting. They wrestled each other in their 1989 feud more than they did Flair, who is the one everybody associates with their beginning. They really never quit feuding kind of like Sting and Flair. Whenever one of them showed up in the other one’s town it was to wrestle him.

It would be a Jerry Jones or Mike McCarthy move to watch last weeks game and be so narrow minded to then decide that they need to work on kicking all week...and nothing else. 49ers might win 33-9 while Maher is 3/3.

I didn’t see the play but I’ve been saying for a long time what I think Brian is saying, in addition to what he already said, if that makes any sense (as much sense as the rules right). They usually call things correctly by rule, especially catches and incompletions, but the rules are written so that they cancel out common sense.

We’ve seen the real SB in the CCG before, but we might have 2 SBs this year with 1 being in the DG. Bills/Bengals. I respect the Chiefs but they’re catching a real break getting the winner of that game IMO. I just don’t know how many bullets those 2 teams can take. If 1 of them wins the SB it will be a historic run. And the Eagles/49ers needs no explanation. That game is going to be straight out of the 90s IMO.

The 1 time McCarthy smiled was when that kicker made that last kick. That was a Pee Wee game on an NFL field. The kicker missed all but 1 kick, then when he made 1 it was the pop of the night. They ran the option and they played hard until the end no matter what the score was. It was great lol!

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This is the same Nash who faked a heart attack to get out of doing a job, then came up with a secondary story that was the wonderful improvement that he ate a whole pan full of buzz brownies. He’s done nothing but pout and cry about something or another for the longest time now. When he manages to dry up, he gets right back on the Hogan sized lies that he sticks to just like Hogan does. I’m sorry about his boy, but without touching that subject I got a long ass way to go before I’ve kicked Nash as many times as he kicked Ricky Morton when he was down. What did Ricky Morton do to him anyway? I don’t want Nash to do the worst here, but I don’t want to pretend that he was ever some great person either. I think some things that he sent around have came back around. It will happen to everybody including us.

When’s the last time before Rodgers a quarterback’s lost to the Lions 3 times in a row? I can’t find it anywhere.

He’s a lego maniac!

He didn’t try the Hailmary and he keeps throwing 4 YD dirt balls under pressure. I think he’s really just trying not to have his last pass be an INT like it was in NE, like Rodger’s was if he retires, Brees, etc.

Well I’ve learned again not to judge by the first drive. But still...is this that much different than the Colts game? The Bucs aren’t really a playoff team. They’re just a playoff team. In any case that touchdown Dak threw to the TE in the back of the endzone was straight out of 90s Favre. It was a rope running opposite his arm strength to a receiver in that same direction. The kicker is being paid to miss and the feds need to investigate.