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In general Booker T was not Sid, but when he was with bad opponents he delivered bad matches. My statement was not to discredit Booker, but to say that Benoit was incredible. Anyway, I would have preferred that Benoit didn't delivered so many great matches, because that style was also responsible for what happened later. About Bret vs Booker matches, I never watched them. Later I will watch them and I will compare them to Benoit vs Booker T.

John. You're right, Benoit was probably the best wrestler ever, better also than Misawa, Danielson, Bret. He was a machine. He delivered great matches with everybody, Regal, Finlay, Sid, Sting, Booker T, JBL, MVP. I don't think that Misawa, Bret, Danielson, Steamboat would have been able to deliver a great match with Sid or Booker T.

It's obiouvsly one of the best. Many others missed the poll like Shawn Michaels, Tatsumi Fujinami, Jun Akiyama, Jumbo Tsuruta. I will put them next time.

Good afternoon. Like last time I opened a poll in which you should compare some of the best wrestlers of all time. The criteria is exclusively IN RING ABILITY. The comparisons are: -Bret Hart vs Ricky Steamboat -Jushin Liger vs Dynamite Kid -Daniel Bryan vs Eddie Guerrero -Chris Benoit vs Toshiaki Kawada -AJ Styles vs Hiroshi Tanahashi -Rey Mysterio vs Kenta Kobashi Thank you very much Thank you very much

I am going to review years since 1990, obiouvsly, as you said it's impossible to know what heppened during house shows. However, I will read the WON, so I will have a general idea. Some house shows matches are also avaible in the web, like, for example, a very good Bret vs Flair, Bret vs Yokozuna. For example, about Michaels, there are people who think that he didn't deliver great house shows matches: his matches against Vader, in 1996, were considered bad. While Bret was always considered as a great house shows worker.

Probably what magnified Shawn Michaels' aura was the fact that many he was delivered great matches almost always and only at Wrestlemania. For example in 2009 he had only a great match and it was against Taker, but the rest of the year we rememeber nothing. So, in people's mind, for example Michaels' 2009 is fantastic, althought, in reality, he isn't. About Kobashi, next months I am projecting to review as many matches as possible, and I'd like to rank the best workers for every year. When I will finish my project I'd like to know your opinion about it.

Good morning. In an other forum a user opened a poll about who is the best technical wrestler of all time. Obiouvsly there are a lot of names, however, I chose to put only Bryan Danielson, Bret Hart and Chris Benoit on the poll. I decided to not put historical wrestlers, like Bockwinkel, Gagne, Backlund, however it was an other era, and there were not so much footage, so many users here, didn't watch their matches. Thank you very much

I would like to know your opinion about what this user wrote in an other forum, in Italy, about the comparison between Danielson and the AJPW pillars. <<He said that Danielson's best matches were not on AJPW pillars' best matches also because of the meticulous booking of Giant Baba, in fact the best matches, like Misawa vs Kawada of 1994, are the result of a prior history, althought they were phenomenal talent. If there was not the meticulous booking of Baba, althought they would have delivered great matches, probably they would not have been on the same level. While Danielson had to work more individually, without a great booking and write behind his back, and he also could study his matches like the AJPW pillars because he was not in a promotion in which there was a steady roster: for example his match against KENTA, althought was fantastic, it could never have been on Misawa vs Kawada level becuase there was not a great history behind, and also because they met themselves few times in the past, so they could not have the same chemistry of Misawa and Kawada or Kobashi and Misawa or Kobashi and Hansen.>> The right question would be: If Danielson would have been in AJPW during the 90s, would he have delivered matches on the level of Misawa vs Kawada and Misawa vs Kobashi? I think that with the right booking the answer is yes.

What do you think about Danielson?

However, in my opinion, the right Nasser of the comparison is a draw. Kobashi, maybe, delivered better matches at his peak, however, his main challengers were better worker than Danielson's main challengers (for sure Misawa and Kawada were better performers than KENTA, McGuinness, Low Ki, Aries and Morishima. Danielson, in opposite, had probably better matches with more wrestlers than Kobashi and he was for sure more versatil and he was great in more styles, not only in technical wrestling, but also with the striking, high flying. Maybe many people don't know, but he was able to work with the old WOS English style in the match with McGuinness of Unfield. For sure he was more complete in the ring than wrestlers like Benoit, Styles. I am rewatching every Danielson's matches, in particular those less known, and even in those matches he was excellent. Today I watched Aries vs Danielson (ROH TV 4/4/2009) and Danielson vs Tyler Black (ROH 25/4/2009). Although the two matches were very close from a timing standpoint because they were both in the same month, in reality the matches were very different, the psycology of matches was different, Danielson worked also different styles.

At the moment the two are very close, Kobashi is winning with 2 votes more. However it's not a great gap and I think they will remain pretty close until the end of the poll. However, I am doing a lot of polls, not only here, but also on other forums, for example on Pro wrestling only and Wrestlingclassics. I noted that ProWrestling Only users are so similar to DVD forum users. I think that many PWO users are also here, right? In both forums PWO and DVD), for example, in an hypotecal comparison between Kurt Angle and Toshiaki Kawada, the second would be the undispute winner. While, on Wrestlinclassics, the results of the polls are so much different. In a poll Angle squashed Kawada; Benoit is so close to Misawa, Shawn Michaels defeated Danielson and also Kobashi. I think that Misawa and Bret Hart would finish very close.

NikoBaltimore, can you explain better what you said, please? Being Italian, I didn't undestand well what you said. It's my fault, not yours.

Yes, my mistake. Maybe, I'm thinking to edit the topic. I'm seriously thinking to edit the poll. I think that the main problem is the fact that I listed a lot of comparisons. However, considering the fact that Danielson vs Kobashi is the only balanced comparison, I will eliminate the other 5 comparisons and I will keep only it. Probably this is also the most interesting, considering that there are a lot of aspects that can be analyzed.

The problem is that English is not my first language. I tried to be as understandable as possible.

In fact I wrote "you should choose": it's a suggestion and an advice, not a command.

I edited the topic and the poll. I decided to left only Kenta Kobashi vs Bryan Danielson because is the most interesting comparison. The criterion is the ability as an in ring performer, that includes workrate, in ring psychology, storytelling, selling, cleaning in the execution of the moves, quality of matches, and other aspects of in ring ability. You should try to vote not your favourite wrestlers, but you should vote the wrestler that you think is a better in ring performer. In few words you should try to be as objective as possible. However if you think that the wrestlers are great in ring performers in the same way, and it's impossible to choose who is better than the other, you could vote the option number 3, please. Then if can't judge Danielson and/or Kobashi as in ring performers (because you didn't watch enough matches) you could vote the option number 4, please. I added this option to not penalize Kobashi, because I think that there could be some people that watched few matches, maybe some never watched any of his matches. Same thing can be applied to Danielson, if you don't know his extre WWE stint. If it's possible should be great if you will write your thoughts about the comparison. Thank you very much.

Yes, I agree with. Maybe I didnt't explained well what I meant. Everything you said in the second part of your post describes my opinion. Demon Balor should work in a different way than normal Balor. However John, I find a post of jdw on pwonly in which he talked about DVDVR matches poll at the end of the year. I find a post in which he said that Bryan entered in the list of best matches for year since 2003. Do you remember about these polls? Are there lost?

For a top face wins are very important. Imagine in the 80s if Hogan would have lost clean against Kamala: if drawing power would have been hurt. The problem of WWE is that every face, except Reigns, in part Strowman (but he will finish like Kane and Big Show, unfortunately) is booked with the 50/50 rule. So nobody is over.

Unfortunately they can't manage a babyface. Rollins could have been a great babyface, but after his return from injury he stayed heel. Strowman will finish as Big Show and Kane, with the big push at the start. He is over, but with the right direction he could have been a big draw, while now is only over with the live crowd. Balor is not much over, he is not super carismatic, but with the right booking he could have been a great babyface. His character could have been so much important if the writing team would have went in depth, but his demon's character is nothing. It's always himself with a paint on his body. Styles is still over, but not because of the booking, but because of his performances. You should remember how many clean how many time he was defeated in a clean way in anonym SD shows (like when he lost against Corbin, and after few time he became champion. This is a wrong way to book a babyface.

In your opinion, are his best matches comparable to the best of Misawa, Kobashi, Kawada, Tsuruta, Benoit?

The series with McGuinness?

Good morning. Three days ago Danielson has been cleared to return, so I decided to review every Danielson's matches. He has a lot of great matches, but what are his 5 full star matches, on the level of the various Misawa vs Kawada matches, Misawa vs Tsuruta matches, Kobashi vs Hansen matches? Maybe some of his matches against Nigel or Morishima or KENTA? Thank you very much

However, Meltzer didn't rate a lot of Danielson's matches, he rated only the big show matches, not events that were taped for DVD. He also didn't rate his NOAH, PWG, wXw, Chikara, and other indies matches

WWE destroyed every face. They are not able to manage a wrestler, the scripted promos are deleterious. What hurt him was also the fact that he was involved in unfinished feuds against Ziggler and Corbin. He could have been a big star if he was managed in the right way, he also needed a manager who could have spoken, like Lesnar. They destoryed Rollins, Balor, in part Strowman (because he lost clean so many times, he will finish like Big Show and Kane), Styles (only his in ring ability let him to stay over).

In reality, when I started the poll my intention was wrestlers who worked in North America (USA and Canada, not Mexico), for this reason I didn't put in Mexicans. If Nakamura would have been a great stint I would have put also him.