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The commentators are set...

I had a small worry we'd seen the last of Tull. What a nice surprise! Also nice to see Ninja Mack locked into a match. I hope to see him developed in the system. Who could possibly be under the Blanchard learning tree?

Bunny is a really good gatekeeper. It's a great role for her. I don't really see what others seem to concerning her being anywhere near dynamic, or particulary strong, with her offense, but she's a terrific bumper/seller. I like the Bunny role and most of the character work, but not so into the hammy camera taunts and the 'I'm so kuh-razy' shit. Tho, it does work fine enough for her modest level on the card. I love the hardworking AEW gatekeepers getting praise, but also don't feel the need for them to move up the card.

So helpful. Thanks to all.

Eric from Segunda's enthusiasm for Andre is contagious.

Meltzer's doing a good job of setting up TK doing the 'impossible'. It's great to get that history, but few of those scenarios seem to make a whole lot of sense as comparisons. It's difficult to see much sense with those MMA examples (Pro-wres/MMA fans would surely have better insight there than I). I like that Dave mostly withholds his opinions regarding what the companies did with their purchases. Of these historical examples it seems like the Watts/TriState and McMahon/GCW situations made complete sense to where each was at that particular time. JCP certainly lost some opportunities with UWF. Running two brands in 87 doesn't seem like it would have made much sense, but it's hard to argue that JCP/Dusty didn't completely dropped the ball with how to bring in the new talent. JCP's aquisition of Kansas and Florida, really even the UWF, seem like senseless purchases, but I don't know the ins/outs there. WWE buying WCW and revamping ECW were clear losers for clear reasons not mentioned. Before you even begin to examine the numbers it's a pretty clear illustration, creatively, how to effectively kill a product. I think NXT is one of the better and more interesting comparisons. Tho, it's hard to tell where touring, at least with the Helmsley version, might have gotten them. The road didn't seem to reveal itself prior to the pandemic/product dismantling. I will be very surprised if this version of ROH doesn't surpass Dave's worrysome seemingly low expectations. We don't know enough about distribution nor pretty much anything to speculate a whole lot concering the finances (not all that interested in that convo anyway). If the product is up to snuff with superfan-cum-pretty-fantastic-bookerman TK's vision success will be hard to avoid. Yeah, sure, burnout's a potential factor, but I don't see it as an imminent danger for the reasons others have laid out. Dave does now seem to at least see the potential for a future interpromotional feud, but the more current and significant benefit is the potential elevation of new fresh talent.

Quality over quantity was essentially the story of Tully and Arn as well.

Owen's crocodile tears! Tremendous. Thanks @Infinitfor sharing that post of that historic moment. The Hart Foundation run was sadly a little short my liking. DX taking the TV time and position leading to and following Bret's departure was depressing. Luckily there was a Rattlesnake and the Most Electrifying man waiting in the wings.

This seems like good reason to sign a deal. Are there any articles (Segunda Caida included) that have laid out a sort of guide to the riches of this era/promotion? Or does anybody have any good starting point recommendations? Anything I've ever seen has been tremendous, but I know so very little.

Viva Pedro! No catalogue of titles better.

I love Willie Hobbs, but have no problem with waiting on his ascent til he's really truly ready. Til then he's doing a great job of keeping himself fresh while playing the midcard gatekeeper. On the otherhand, I don't see much reason for waiting on Hayter's ascent. There are few if any at her talent level - I trust @DEAN's analysis of Toni Storm, so there's potentially her. And Deeb's at her level, but the current Deeb role is pretty terrific (tho, I could use a weekly dose). I don't really care so much about belting Jamie, but I would love to see her much, much more.

Well said. I've only seen a couple Riccochet bouts, but was awfully impressed. I suspect he'll be an excellent addition some Wednesday night in the future. I'm with you on that. She seemed very much expendable for a long time. I'm sure I overlooked a Dark bout here or there, but the street fight was the turn around for me. This Storm bout furthers the sentiment. I think Toni had some ring rust, but clearly there's a star quality beyond her beauty.

It's interesting to hear Meltzer's analysis, amongst a few others, saying 'why wouldn't you promote a show as AEW, rather than this lowly ROH, you'll draw more'. I'm generalizing, but I assume a few have heard this. That kind of argument is fair, but missing the important point that if they can actually boost the label there is potential for a variety of exciting crossover possibilities. Both for new singluar or tandem talents and the somewhat inevitable or eventual ROH v AEW. The latter is logically further down the road. Clearly, they'll need time to establish some of the new roster (like the huge missed opportunity in 2001). The more immediate possibility is the crossover of fresh new singles and teams providing fresh opportunities. What WWE has so miserably failed to capitalize upon when advancing ready (and somewhat over) NXT talent to the mainland. If you build say a Bandido or Willow Nightingale or John Gresham (to where s/he readies whatever part of his/her game that needs seasoning) and move them to AEW you presumably have a fresh new face ready to catch fire. Not to say they've been hurting for fresh talent (thank you WWE). Also, doesn't the catalogue mean more if the current product is of note?

Although I can no way endorse Apoca91 as their best, I like what you're getting at. It's definitely the darkhorse. Aging in the rap industry isn't easy. I've caught Chuck here and there lowering his initial lofty standards. Something he did do well was the narration of 'Stay Free-The Story of the Clash' podcast series - which was entirely excellent! Yeah, I know the excitement of being a youngster and finding a 2 Live Crew tape. I also remember secretly banging NWA on a walkman.

Daddy Magic Matt Minard steers the ship like a Captain. A captain named Albano, Lou Albano.

Marko had at least two incredible squash losses - against Brodie and Archer. I think there was a missed opportunity not breaking him away from the Jurassix and letting him get killed more frequently on the You'Choob.

There was some speculation that they might punt opposite the ROH PPV. Certainly doesn't seem the case... Owen Hart Memorial Tournament Qualifier: Jamie Hayter v Skye Blue Young Bucks v Top Flight House of Black v Fuego/Uno/Stu Grayson Powerhouse Hobbs v Keith Lee

Public Enemy is a story that needs a proper telling. What a great run of classic albums that remain fresh. Chuck D was a fucking hero. But if I'm being honest, as a kid, there were few things more exciting than those early DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince trax. Never got jiggy with the later catalogue, but who can't relate to a song called 'Parents Just Don't Understand'.

That shit scares me. The masking tape seems like a nice gesture in a way, but whatever is underneath that lid I don't need to know about.

This whole rant is 'the best wrestler in AEW'. What a hot fucking show!

Your speculation is certainly worth consideration. A problem occurs when you fail to consider there's more to the story than said speculation. A hardline opinion on the matter suggests it's worth looking a bit deeper than the flimsy docuseries and Vanity Fair pieces (written by little Frank and Mia's pal). Incorrect, but you're not the only one passing a judgement that doesn't give a fuck whether the other shit is true.

Thanks for the clarification. My response was to '1) Chris Rock doesn't write his material for his own stand ups' which is fair, but more accurate in the sense of collaboration and what you've written above. Tho, I hope that doesn't come across as splitting hairs. It's worth diving in passed the questionable HBO docuseries, where you will surely discover there's more to that story. The absences of information are pretty crucial to the Farrow side. As is the disregard of both Soon Yi Previn and Moses Farrow. I'm not sure we'll ever know all the details, but there is more than enough reason to question the ignorant judgements being made concerning that man and that case. But regardless, there's no doubt Dylan Farrow was abused by somebody.

I still wonder if we might see a Deonna appearance. Double duty can't be easy when neither spot is really light house show fare. I suspect nothing less than a war between the Briscoes and FTR. It's hard to imagine them phoning it in later, but the Good Bros are likely or potentially an easier task. On the Deonna front, obviously they would have loved to have her, but this show does seem more of the pilot than debut episode if you know what i mean. Or a soft launch as opposed to the grand opening - sorta, maybe, kinda. That said, I have little doubt that this will be high quality entertainment. Waiting on the unification between Champ Champ and the Interim isn't so bad.

This slower Wednesday match roll out is fantastic! Kudos Elite promotion.

Hosting an event is without question. As I said... But I was responding to 'Chris Rock doesn't write his material for his own stand ups'; which I'm sure is partialy true, but also misleading. Tho, maybe not? I'd just like to know where that idea is coming from to post in this thread. As I mentioned, I saw him live working out new material and improvising, which led me to believe he's, generally speaking, a substantial part of the writing of at least most of his material. EDIT: from a lil googling around, he works with writers, no surprise, not uncommon, but nothing to indicate that he's ghostwritten, so to speak. Sounds like it's much more Jon Moxley than Dean Ambrose, if you will.