Kyuubi
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On 10/12/2019 at 8:33 AM, ComingToAmerica said:
I don't really have a problem with Hager tbh, I thought the All-American American was pretty great; he's not really comparable to a limited worker like Ryback. He's a heater and he's not even worked a match yet - and certainly won't be before Oct 25 because he's on Bellator 231. His No.1 focus is probably MMA, which is great because he won't be around all the time.
Worth saying that whilst Jericho is pretty much legendary for fitting in surprise appearances, Fozzy are signed to Sony now and when the next album drops it's going to be serious business. He won't be at every show forever.We're going to see about under utilization - the truth is that a lot of those NXT guys are going to take the pay cheque to train in an awesome facility with highly experienced coaching (not just wrestling) in Florida. Even passed that.....they're paying tuition fees for some of the roster to study e.g. Nikki Cross is doing her History Masters on Vince.
I mean, yeah, AEW is going to have to rotate people in and out whether they want to admit it or not and no doubt there will be ex-WWE guys in the mix - Luke Harper is still very clearly trying to get fired. But a lot of NXT guys are going to live with what they've got, because it's steady money and is going to set them up very nicely for their future career as personal trainers. I suspect a few of them genuinely don't want to be on the main roster.
Lio is really awesome and obviously he'd be an asset to AEW but I don't think small guys should be their priority. Ospreay just moved to Japan and feels like he's on a slow push to the top of the card. 2-3 years down the line maybe...obviously NJPW and AEW working together would change that.
My problem is that it is too similar to the WWE and has a bunch of WWE cast outs. Like there is a plethora of Indy talent which WWE is also poaching. What should differentiate AEW is having folks that just wouldn’t thrive under the E. Guys like Darby Allin who Vince would look at and not get it. Or a Priscilla Kelly whose shock seductress style would be sanitized like it was in was in the Mae Young Classic. Like AEW has embraced several working styles that aren’t just WWE adjacent story telling. They present the full Lucha style without making amendments to it. They glorify spotfests whether it is hardcore or a bunch of dives. Then you have strong style of Japan or American brawler or technical wrestling. Every other match feels different.
But a lot of the WWE guys like Hager carry too much baggage. I’ve seen Hager in Lucha Underground and I have to say that he stuck out. He didn’t fit amongst the craziness and shenanigans of a promotion that was whacky like LU. And in AEW, he is still prototypical in a promotion touting to be an alternative to WWE.
And yes, I do appreciate that he won’t be present in matches. But there are big guys in the Indies that just as likely could have that spot like Jeff Cobb, Jacob Fatu, Moose, Alexander Hammerstone, or Tim Thatcher who all may not be as tall but have the added benefit of being active as well.
I don’t know. I see too many familiar faces than I care to want to see in AEW. Again, I get that this is the beginning and they are likely to expand but it’s weird I see the likes of Hager, Spears, Rhodes, and to some extent Moxley as kind of redundant because are prototypical WWE cast offs.
But this is just a nit pick. Overall the shows have been enjoyable and I say this as someone who never really enjoyed a Kenny Omega or Young Bucks match. I was surprised to see the variety in what I thought would be styles catering to them.
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There are guys in AEW that I know were underused in WWE like Shawn Spears and Cody and PAC. But yeah, Jake Hager ain’t one of them.
Honestly, as NXT starts becoming overflooded and talent starts leaving in due to under utilization, I think some guys like Lio Rush would be great. Wwe has all the talent in the world in terms of wrestling. Kenny can kayfabe shit talk half that roster on NXT, but half that roster can and has wrestled on his level before. AEW should be looking at guys that they know are going to be underutilized in WWE that not only need a different direction, but aren’t in it because they are cast offs.
Getting guys like Hager and Ryback is shit. I’d rather wait until Will Ospreay’s contract is up or some shit because at least he is refreshing.
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5 minutes ago, BobbyWhioux said:
opinion is still divided over whether it's Vince or Heyman who actually can't get enough of this shit, so the reasons for Cuckamania running wild on RAW remain unclear.
Oh.
Cuckamania would be an awesome pornstar name.
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I haven’t been watching Raw or WWE in general but I’ve been hearing about a storyline trend of wrestlers’ wives cheating on them with black wrestlers and I have to wonder is Linda fucking Herman Cain or something and Vince is commiserating his misery to us through these weird ass storylines?
Is Linda getting the 999 deal in the White House and Vince is using his own humiliation as a way to punish dudes who want out? I’m asking because the phrase beta cuck was uttered by the resident jackass Graves on TV to describe the situation. It’s just a weird thing to have consistently shown on your billion dollar show.
Next you will have Big E with Becky Lynch or some shit. I’m sure that would be a way to revive his old catchphrase, “give me five” or some variation.
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The backstage carney shit is what separates MLW from other promotions and I guess that emphasis on carney shit effects the matches somewhat, but I am not really following this promotion for G1 quality. It would be nice but there are tons of indies that allow for that.
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I’ve heard of Tim Thatcher but this is the first time watching him. Dude somehow pulls off Wiry big guy if that makes sense. I can’t call him technical as he is more of a Regal type dude in terms of physicality. It was a fun showing.
Not really into Lawler. I don’t get the hype because Riddle does former MMA guy turned wrestler better than he does. I’m just not impressed with anything he does yet.
The black luchador guy? He is awesome. Some of the most creative shit I’ve seen since Shane Strickland. I wish MLW put more emphasis on, I hate saying it, workrate. I enjoy the Factions wars and conflicts as it adds an added dimension to conflicts. The matches just lack the spectacle of that makes sense. Maybe that’s on the performers or I don’t know what I’m talking about but when NJPW puts on a match, it not only feels big but the match itself is filled with story as well as technique and athleticism. MLW feels like they have top tier talent and I know they do but the matches feel underwhelming a lot of the time.
Maybe I am buggin’. Regardless, I like this shit.
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17 hours ago, mattdangerously said:
I was in the crowd for the cage match where she first busted that one out. Her opponent (the awesome Hyan--learn that name, folks) had just done a 450 splash that AQA rolled out of the way of. So when AQA went up to the top, I assumed she was going to do her own 450. I was not prepared for a SSP. You're right, though, in that she's pretty green. But she's a tremendous athlete, and she's learning from the same folks who taught Kylie Rae, so she should end up being pretty good.
Here's the cage match, which has tallied an impressive 11 million views in 4 months.
I love how the fans don’t realize what they just saw was extraordinary in terms of athleticism. Like I get the shooting star press is like the basic spot monkey finisher, but AQA is only the second woman in history to do a standing shooting star press in the wrestling business.
Hyun is awesome too. Booker always had an eye for talent and I’m glad he is doing things outside the ‘E. Thanks fam for hooking me up.
Anyways what’s up with TNA picking up a bunch of Lucha Underground formers?
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1 hour ago, mattdangerously said:
AQA?
Yep. She is green as grass and I don’t think the Shooting Star Press is her finisher yet. But I am looking forward to her since the SSP she did was Sydal quality. She is stupid athletic since I know women gymnasts who trained for years who still can’t do a non-cheat Gainer.
I was watching a highlight wrestling vid(I like to use it as a reference to which matches to watch, sue me) and I saw a woman do a shooting star press and not the cheat gainer kind and was like...wait what?
Anyways, yeah I dig some digging and found her. I apologize for detailing the thread about TNA’s stupid Phoenix like tendencies.
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Who is the black lady in pig tails who did a shooting star press to the outside on a 3 other women? It was a match on Impact I think?
Edit: My bad. Wrong promotion. I thought it was TNA because the apron had Impact + on the side.
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The matches in MLW aren’t much as spectacles like NJPW but the story angles are great. Low Ki’s title reign was brutal and I’ve never seen a champion as sadistic and as brutal as he was. Dude was ripping off ears and maiming motherfuckers.
Since I ditched WWE, I’ve been wanting to fill the void with something and AEW just wasn’t it. But yeah, this has been a treat overall. I was surprised to see Low Ki in a big role for any promotion given his reputation.
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On 9/2/2019 at 11:44 AM, Eivion said:
I'm fully behind Ibushi vs. SANADA at the dome.
As long as it’s not Naito vs Ibushi. I don’t know how you all feel about these two pairing up, but to me they are like a notch below old school CZW matches. I’m not a fan of the amount of near deaths that the two seem to put each other through every time they match up.
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So I gave up on WWE and been following New Japan for awhile. Still not completely immersed.
Why the fuck are the Young Lions so fucking boring? I get that they are trainees but you’d think they would at least diversify. Give them some basis in other styles. Like it works sometimes like with Jay White. But other times when I tried watching Shouta, I honestly couldn’t get invested in something so basic. Like I see the foundation of what they are taught in guys Okada and Ishii but my issue is that it maybe afford some wrinkles aside from making a body slam more fanciful? Guy wants to be a highflier, let him at least try to learn and focus on high flying or do a head scissors takedown. Guy wants to do submission grappling, let him at least exhibit something other than a Boston crab.
I get it. Maybe I’m not invested in the development of guys and it’s just not for me. But I really was looking forward to watching Shouta only to be bored to tears.
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On 10/11/2018 at 9:23 PM, AxB said:
Which is odd, because Muay Thai fighters don't wear kickpads.
Ankle sleeves, sure. But not kickpads. That's Buakaw Por Pramuk by the way.
Depends on the promotion. There are some kick boxing promotions that force fighters(including Muay Thai fighters like Buakaw and Saenchai) to wear kick pads much to the annoyance of the fighters and Muay Thai enthusiasts.
And I can't believe y'all went five pages and not mention Aleister Black at all.
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Good follow up to Supershow. Lince and Lio was not what I thought I’d get out of the two but was solid nonetheless. If WWE can lie about Kanellis being 205(I doubt it but then again Murphy looks bigger), there is no reason why they can’t get Balor to join this roster.
Buddy is going to be a McGregor type of Champion which is cool with his attitude because I was afraid they were going to turn him.
And finally after a solid run as champ, some character building with Cedric. He has always been a great come up short wrestler because his reactions when he doesn’t get a pinfall are golden. They are going with the story of Cedric losing his mojo.
I can tell Triple H is behinf this booking because he loves having two best friends as wrestlers and highlighting their friendship for a slow burn. He loves the payoff when the inevitable betrayal happens. Me thinks that he is projecting somewhat.
Overall decent show. Good crowd. NXT was better.
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Becky Lynch beating the shit out of Charlotte and then demanding the photographer to take her photo and him obliging her as if he did not see his previous model get accosted is the type of shit that keeps me into watching wrestling. Becky could break mother Teresa’s arm and she still would get cheered.
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On 9/17/2018 at 3:20 PM, Beech27 said:
He's been on that warpath for a long time, and it's only increased now that they're actually feuding.
Okay, somewhat off-topic, but if there was a point of view that encapsulates what I loathe about Omega and to a higher degree, Will Ospreay, this is it. Do I think Omega is a phenomenal wrestler? Yes. I love his moveset and can enjoy his matches, but there are times when I fucking tune out because the thing about Omega is that his moveset has tons of things that would be qualified as finishers for any other wrestler. There are a bunch of bombast but not a whole lot of structure. He sells well, but the selling means little when you have been constantly hit by a truck and still keep getting up. In comparison to Kota who is just as bombastic, but sprinkles it with set up moves and variety or Tanahashi who is all about the build-up, Kenny is like watching the Raid within a wrestling match.
I fucking hate Will Ospreay though and have nothing good to say about him.
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8 minutes ago, Eivion said:
It was nice hearing a crowd that was actually interested in what was going on. Cedric/Gulak was good.
Because if anyone was hurt by the lack of heat from the crowd, it has been Cedric Alexander and his opponents. What got the crowd invested was not good matches and solid stories, but fucking spot fests and barn burners and only like a few guys on the active roster is capable of that: Ali, Murphy, Kalisto, Metallik, Dorado, and Alexander. The rest are technical guys or meticulous guys(which is why I am adamant that Gargano, Ciampa, Undisputed Era, and Ricochet should come to 205 Live for the sake of diversity at the very least. Gulak in front of a live crowd post-Smackdown does not get heat with anybody because his style is not about bursts. Gulak in front a pre-Smackdown crowd will. It helped TJP vs Lince as the entirety of TJP's WWE run could not even get a peep, but last night they gave a shit.
So yeah, this made the show better. Would have been match of the week if it weren't for Dunne/Ricochet and AJ Styles/Almas.
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4 hours ago, NikoBaltimore said:
Thank fucking goodness. If this is a regular thing then that can only help with the crowd noises. I still remember a couple years ago the crowd lost their minds for Nattie/Summer Rae just because it was the first match on the show (for Superstars)
Thank fuck. I was honestly starting to get pissed at the crowd.
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On 9/7/2018 at 2:34 PM, Eivion said:
I saw a gif of her hitting some moves during this tournament. That woman is going to be over huge if she is able to do shit like that with any sort of semi-regularity. She will be to women what Rey was in 90s to juniors/cruiserweights fans.
Spoiler
Yeah, I think she can definitely do a Gainer/Shooting Star Press
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20 hours ago, MonteCarl said:
Every week, 205 Live starts out and mostly plays through to the end to a dead crowd. When Buddy Murphy is in the main event, his matches have gotten the crowds to light up and generate chants and really get in to the matches. That can't have gone unnoticed in the back. Cedric is not generating this same interest with the crowd. I can totally see them putting the title on Buddy Murphy in his backyard for his hard work over the last several months.
It depends on the opponent with Cedric. Cedric is not delivering bad matches and he is obviously trying. The past few times it was Cedric that pops the crowd for one instant and then whoever is his opponent(Hideo, TJP, Gallagher, Kendrick Gulak) immediately puts on restholds and takes the crowd right out. With Buddy who plays heel, but isn't a technical heel nor is he a meticulous heel, Murphy just turns it up and goes move for move against a Face who does the same. He does not slow the match down at all and only seems to up the intensity which makes his matches more crowd engaging. Almost every Buddy Murphy match, he has involved the announcer table or got innovative with the ringside. The top three guys on 205 are Cedric, Mustafa, and Murphy. Those guys generate pops with the Lucha House Party being used for spectacle. Those technical guys sans Gulak need to do something different because that shit kills crowds that are already too tired after a high-octane Smackdown. No one wants to follow AJ Styles and Samoa Joe or Daniel Bryan and Almas, but it hard enough to as it is with a babyface like Cedric who has the moveset and ability of an aggressive heel.
Not entirely absolving Cedric because he needs to change his demeanor as a squeaky clean babyface when his finisher is hoisting guys way above his head and crashing them five and a half feet on their backs. Cedric dropped a nasty sheer drop brainbuster on TJP the other night and he is supposed to be playing underdog babyface? He needs to be more like Buddy and less like Gargano. He needs to be more like Neville after joining 205 Live and less like NXT Adrian Neville. He is the most physically imposing athlete on 205 Live and one of the most gifted wrestlers in the entire WWE roster. He needs to act like it. And I think that is the story of Cedric's entire wrestling career.
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On 8/30/2018 at 2:04 PM, Pete said:
Sweet baby Jesus, Murphy has a title match in his hometown before 100,000 fans. NO PRESSURE OR ANYTHING.
Calling it now. Match of the night.
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6 hours ago, Hail Sabin said:
Buddy Murphy sure does love taking the spike rana spot.
He spikes every spot that involves his head or upper body. Got to appreciate his commitment to make his opponent look good.
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My top 10 after going over G1
1. Tanahashi/Ibushi G1 Final
2. Tanahashi/Okada A-block final
3. Naito vs Okada WK12
4. Goto/Suzuki WK12
5. Ibushi vs Omega G1 B-block final
6. Ishii/Omega G1
7. Ishii/Ibushi G1
8. Ishii/Naito G1
9. Ibushi/ZSJ G1
10. Sanada/Ibushi G1
Outlier: Okada/Omega Dominion because everyone says its great and I’ll just take your word for it
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8 hours ago, username said:
I think one thing people overlook a lot is after they finally put the belt on Sasha for the first time they had to take the belt off of her immediately because of her injury of indeterminate severity. It was supposed to be bad enough that they called up Bayley to cover for her yet she was back within a month or so. There was then talk that the Charlotte/Sasha HIAC match went home early after Sasha taking a bump that didn't go right. With Sasha, her issues have nothing to do with talent or presence; they are scared to build around her because they are scared she's gonna get hurt (and after every single time she does a dive I'm scared as well). Add in that she apparently has a bit of an attitude and... that's how you get here. It is a damn shame, but I get it.
Okay. I have been on Sasha for years about her diving because as a traceur, I can tell who has control of their body in the air and who needs to stop playing with their lives and Sasha was ringing alarms because she lacks the explosive jumping ability(as in I think her vert is like 25 inches) and seriously needs to take time of her day and hit the box jumps like Kofi. Sasha always scared me when she does the tope with her head nearly hitting the apron coming down. Not to mention her rag doll selling. However, injury did not stop them from pushing Nicki Bella. In fact, they deliberately pulled her from championship matches to beat AJ Lee’s record. Recognizing injury as a reason to not put a strap on someone for more than 2 fucking weeks is selective. And it doesn’t change the fact that Sasha was perfectly healthy during her first year called up and WWE deliberately ignored fans to push an agenda.
And do not want to hear about attitude as an excuse when Randy fucking Orton is signed. Orton is the worst public relations nightmare since JBL. Dude is notorious. If Orton could get away with intimidating writers with his dick out, Sasha can have attitude.
I’m not trying to attack you but I am sick of this selective reasoning as why they don’t push others from the WWE. It’s petty business. And it becomes personal when you keep pushing people of the same mold and it starts looking peculiar. I’m not saying Sasha should be holding the belt for years because she clearly isn’t built for that. I’m saying that she shouldn’t be stuck in this bullshit with Bayley and Riot Squad as an alternative because both of them including Ruby deserve better than that. While Charlotte who in my opinion was the least dynamic of the Four Horsewomen was given this golden goose just because of whom she is. There shouldn’t be stars like Roman Reigns or Charlotte when you have the most talent filled roster of all time. There shouldn’t be another John Cena when you have super talented wrestlers all over. This isn’t Hogan era anymore. You have talent all out the ass. People who are capable of holding the ship together in turns and it won’t effect popularity in fact it will make the product more intriguing.
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AEW - OCT 2019
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I didn’t mention Jericho because he really never fit the mold of prototype WWE guy. Short, not particularly stout, and works in several styles. I know that sounds contradictory but Jericho has always been atypical and one of those roles where they put Miz in nowadays except better overall performer. WWE never looked at Jericho and tried to replicate him like a Rock or a John Cena. He was never a mold but an extremely versatile performer that WWE just loved to have. Jericho may have the largest name recognition out of anybody in AEW because of his WWE background but with him, I feel like he fits in any promotion or any style of wrestling. And he is also changes his character significantly. Spears, Rhodes, and Hager as characters and workers haven’t really shed that WWE story structure type wrestling. And I kind of give Moxley a pass because he did reinvent himself or he went back to his Moxley character.
The issue here is that they aren’t former WWE guys. It is just that I don’t just want to see former WWE guys who wrestle the same style and don’t really reinvent themselves. Especially if I can watch WWE and pretty much watch the same 5 or 6 guys. Jake Hager is just a more stoic Jack Swagger to which he should have never spoken in the first place. Spears just seems like a less eccentric and more serious Dillinger. While some of them are great performers, I just kind of expected more unknown guys who haven’t had much exposure to be at the forefront. Like Private Party feels brand new. Darby Allin feels brand new. Jungle Boy, Luchasaurus, Marko Stunt feel brand new
Its just those ‘reinventions’ are vanilla. I don’t know. I just expect if an actor is in a different movie, they’d play a different character. In the case of wrestlers, I’d expect them to wrestle differently outside of classical heel vs face dynamic. Use different moves or have a different psychology. Which is why I don’t include Jericho and I’m hesitant on Moxley. We know that the Moxley character doesn’t translate well to WWE. We know PAC never was utilized well and was severely under appreciated. I can’t say the same about Spears, Hager, and Rhodes. They are interchangeable from their ‘E counterparts for the most part(Cody’s rich affluent gimmick at least coincides with his Handsome or Legacy roles).
And I don’t mean to take away the talent of these guys who did get treated wrong like Spears and Cody. I just don’t really want to see them too much.