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1 hour ago, Burgundy LaRue said:
And no one could have anticipated Jericho becoming this much of a star again in 2016.
Pretty sure Jericho did. I hope the deal he signed reflected it.
All this talk about how people carry belts and I'm the one taking things too seriously. Psssssh.
All kidding aside, aesthetics for how they treat what's supposed to be the most important things in wrestling, is a big deal.
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Man...who thinks Sting isn't HOF material? Given it's Dave's readers it's got to be Ole right?
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Reading that almost all of RAW is on the network...what was the hold up?
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Bret Hart, Eddie, Benoit, Dynamite Kid, Warrior, Von Erich...wrestling is littered with tragedy after success.
I'm massively cynical. And as a guy with bad habits and time inside wrestling locker rooms, I wouldn't recommend that environment to anyone with bad habits.
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Rich Swann has overcome a lot. Given that it lead him to wrestling, isn't it likely he's heading for a tragic ending?
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32 minutes ago, Sammo~! said:
To me that sounds more like Mark Burnet/Robert Rodriguez and co as well as Matt Hardy/Dave Lagana get it.
Are Burnet or Rodriguez personally involved with the inner workings of the show? I suspect they're more of the mindset of does it generate more money for or not, and after that, they don't care. Who is responsible for the actual creative direction of the show, DeJoseph ? Hardy and Lagana weren't looking to be in a position to make that more of a reality for TNA, especially since Corgan says Dixie didn't like that stuff, which is surprising if it's her company. Wrestling drastically needs a shake up somehow. No one seems to have hit the target exactly again yet.
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2 hours ago, Sammo~! said:
Does Billy get it? Or does he throw hissy fits and burn bridges when he doesn't get his way? Between Resistance Pro and TNA I'm leaning more towards the latter.
His idea that wrestling needs to be something beyond what has basically been the same approach for nearly 100 years isn't exactly rocket science. Look at the Hardy's stuff. Look at LU. You don't have to stick to the arena look.
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God DAMN did Corgan just bury Dixie with Dave and Bryan.
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Everything Corgan said with Bryan....god damn would anyone but Lucha Underground actually try and do something different? Why does Billy F'N Corgan get it, but no one else in the business seems to?
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3 hours ago, Sammo~! said:
For such an infamous cheapskate, why is Foley still taking indie bookings and touring his stand up instead of just enjoying his retirement. Did he make some bad investments or something?
Stupid thought - working around his kids.
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1 hour ago, Wyld Samurai said:
You need to watch it. Think of the filthiest / most unhygenic roommate you ever had, then picture him missing an ear.
Aren't these stories about other people with someone else named to tell the story?
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14 minutes ago, peterien said:
Triple H's story about Mick Foley on the Networks Story Time has only increased my disdain for Foley.
What's the story?
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Remember when WWE had storylines and plans that intended to make talent bigger stars and it would lead to more money for everyone? DTTW remembers.
I'm just never going to buy any part of a 50 year old non fighter beating an actual fighter. It's not a deep thought it's just my perspective as a guy who crappily does mma.
It's not for me, I'm just so sorely disappointed that after such a long fight to be the best, their new standard of best just reeks of mediocre and there are a slew of reasons it need not be that way. Ultimately no one but the company has anything to gain from Brock vs Goldie. That's such a tremendous waste of opportunity.
I'll drop it now. Go back to smelling the rose gardens.
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3 hours ago, JohnnyJ said:
That's why it was such a fast match. It's only believable if he catches him off guard and dominates him quickly. As far as what the fans will think of the rest of the card, the damage is already done. In wrestling presentation is everything and only a handful of performers are presented as important. That's nothing new.
As a guy who trains in mma stuff, even if you catch Brock off guard, just no against a guy with zero experience. I mean punk lasted what 2 minutes?
I wasn't thinking in terms of importance, i was thinking timing of matches. UFC has conditioned the fans that fights are all over the board time wise. WWE has pushed long matches as a narrative for as long as I know. They ran short matches like crazy but short ME is a rarity. Now they made it into a thing. How will the fans take to this attempt at reconditioning? How will they react to 20 minute matches if short dominations dominate the top of the card? Wasn't there a Japanese fed that did something like that?
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1 hour ago, Zakk_Sabbath said:
Taz is like 5'8 but that didn't stop 6th grade me from thinking he could F Goldberg up in a shoot. Ultimately, what people loved about Goldberg was that his matches were spear, jackhammer, pin. That was his whole gimmick. Would it have been a different story here if it were Austin going over in a minute with a Thesz press and a stunner, or if Taker tombstoned him? Maybe-- but that kind of explosive, short match was never really in their characters' DNA the way it was with Goldberg. Plus
Heyman's promo tonight about not being taking Goldberg seriously, and Goldberg breaking Brock's ribs was fantastic, and to me, at least went a long way in justifying why we got the match we did.
Yeah, just read about that promo. At least Paul tries to make the puzzle pieces fit.
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1 hour ago, Sammo~! said:
How is two spears and a JACKHAMMER a fake shoot fight? That's as pro wrestling as pro wrestling gets. Goldberg and Brock are pro wrestlers, telling a pro wrestling story. Maybe Brock is a better MMA fighter, but so far Goldberg has proven to be the better pro wrestler.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but the board seriously hates my guts or something. Between my phone and computer, everything keeps getting screwed up if I type for a paragraph or more it seems. Sigh.
To be brief, the short nature of their match in an era of long matches was fake shoot fight. I know it's Goldie, it's wrestling, etc, but sometimes actors take rolls for checks when they really shouldn't and that's what it felt like here. Can't blame the guys, but even in a fake fight, a 50-year-old with zero fighting experience beating a juiced guy of Brock's caliber doesn't seem believable. And ultimately, if this is the pattern, what are the fans going to think of it, and what will they think about the rest of the card who don't perform like that? I'm wondering if maybe some serious damage was done here, but it's not going to be evident for a while.
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Dixie continuing to do well despite every single problem with the company pretty much being her fault continues to sadden me.
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1 hour ago, Casey said:
Yeah, but we live inside the world of kayfabe. Where the notion of using a sledgehammer and not killing the other guy is treated as believable. Goldberg doesn't have extremely limited qualifications, he went on a 100 something win streak in WCW, destroying guys in ways that would make Suplex City look like Candyland. Yeah, okay, maybe Brock Lesnar the character we see on television did take a sabbatical (after being beat by Goldberg in his last match in 2004) and trained to be an MMA competitor and he knows ju-jitsu and whatnot. Does any of that matter? No, because wrestling is fake and we still live in a world of fantasy, where the most feared guy on the roster is an undead zombie and there's grown men on RAW that love unicorns and Dragonball Z and are still taken seriously.
What qualifcations did CM Punk have to be on Brock Lesnar's level and have a competitive match? Triple H? JOHN CENA? What, because these guys are/were currently active in wrestling and Goldberg hasn't been seen since 2004 so of course he's just been eating cake and watching re-runs of "2 Broke Girls"?
Come on. This is getting a little ridiculous.Goldbergs streak was fake and it was over a decade ago. Brock face punched people for real and it wasn't that long ago.
They try and treat Goldie like an MMA guy, when he's not an MMA guy and that's why it's bad. Punk and co work because it's fake, they aren't selling those guys as equals to Brocks accomplishments. It works because it's in the bubble. An actor is not equal to his parts and Goldie would probably get beat by tons of guys in mma gyms coast to coast. I can be entertained by Brock pro wrestling with pro wrestlers but when he fake shoots with a pro wrestler...just doesn't do anything for me because I can't buy a lie that flagrant.
Hey if I could con 40k plus for working for three minutes, I'd do it too, especially if I'm aware it's all fake here and doesn't matter to anyone but a bunch of marks like us on the internet.
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1 hour ago, Stevie Ray Von Erich said:
I don't know if calling a guy who was on actual NFL rosters a football dropout (especially when Brock--whom I assume you're homering for here--only ever made a practice squad) is a good argument.
Plus, it's wrestling. Everything is believable if it's booked right.
I'm saying Goldie has extremely limited qualifications that suggest he is on Brock's level.
You're right, it can be...when it isn't contridicted by a harsh reality from a competitor who's entire business model makes your idea look stupid. And they'd market the shit outta such an actually shocking moment...which WWE can't do because we know it's scripted.
What's funny is the WWE just keeps reaching backwards to attract new fans...and sooner than later all they are going to find is their hand covered in their own shit.
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A near 50 year old football drop out beat a certified MMA badass who is juiced to the gills in under 5 minutes.
The fantasy booking I have involves a room full writers and executives along with a high capacity weapon that fires rapidly to fix this level of stupid booking.
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8 hours ago, SorceressKnight said:
Key word, though: SMALLER COMPANIES.
Saying that a smaller company can make money off some indy star doesn't necessarily mean they're guaranteed to be money in the big leagues for one, especially since pretty much every star who had any independent experience was once money in a smaller fed (The Shining Stars were absolute licenses to print money in Puerto Rico when Carlos Colon was booking the family, but there's been enough time to prove no, they will never be over- much less a draw, in the United States.
That is the same for a lot of them- for every "But...but [indy promotion] did it so they could be a new boom period if WWE didn't HATE US and would gladly lose money just to make smarks unhappy!" person, there's at least one "Have we considered that maybe, JUST MAYBE, they were a smoke and mirrors job on the indy scene and they aren't that good?" story.
Cept for the part where they bring them in, don't treat them seriously, book them to lose, and then say they arent grabbing the brass ring.
If it was a hit and miss thing, ok, but it's got to be around a 90% rate where they never seem to tap into whatever they saw in guys to hire them in the first place.
Look at the ratings...and realize they have better depth, diversity, and resources across the board...and yet the company seemingly has zero momentum. They don't have another Cena ready...despite a roster full of guys who were able to be Cena back home. I'll buy a few guys being smoke and mirrors...but nearly every single guy...come on man, at that point, it's not talent, it's WWE.
I think back on Taz and compare it to AJ. Took them 20 years but they seemed to realize hey if the guy comes elsewhere and he's massively over, maybe we shouldn't waste all that momentum.
And then I remember Roman and hope ends up lost again.
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4 hours ago, The Nature Boy said:
That's a different discussion and a real problem honestly. The biggest problem with post-Attitude Era wrestling is that fans say that someone is "wasted" if they aren't being pushed to the moon and receiving World Title shots. A lot of people fail to realize that the curtain jerker and the mid carder are all apart of the tapestry that is a good wrestling show.
True, but it's strange that smaller companies can figure out how to make money off guys, but WWE sometimes can't.
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4 hours ago, nofuture said:
Pretty much looks like it was filmed for a softcore Skinamax movie.
My favorite part...I'm fairly confident that footage was not fully graded. That's like over 100k they didn't account for in their budget when they got access to their spiffy cameras.
If Jeff is by chance reading this - Hey motherfucker, I'm still here willing to fix and edit the project just so you don't rip people off.
To be fair mental issue is part of the reason it failed.
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56 minutes ago, sydneybrown said:
Some of the footage got posted either here or another site and it was completely unwatchable. It was literally shot by people who didn't know what they were doing.
Allow me to get my camera geek on. The story goes that they shot the thing on Red One cameras. Red One cameras are like 20k "cheap" movie cameras. Annie Lebowitz used to take still images from the camera and turn them into photos. Seriously high end stuff. The problem is, those cameras are by their very nature, not designed to shoot things like pro wrestling. They're for making movies and TV shows in a controlled and staged environment. To capture the chaotic movement of wrestling with these cameras would require a skill level that is probably not humanly possible.
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DECEMBER 2016 WRESTLING DISCUSSION... for now
in The PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING
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The last time I saw little Colby he was around 10, screwing around in the ring with his dad. It was cute. Now seeing him...it's like Steve Corino and C.M. Punk had a love child.