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  1. The announcers missed some points to the story to Bate/Walter too.

    Bate wasn't giving up a lot of pure strength necessarily, but definitely leverage and striking power with Walter's longer limbs and ability to strike downward instead of having to strike upward.

    The exploder was Bate's most effective move because when he could use a crotch hold and get his center of gravity lower to muscle over the bigger man. Also, his general suplex/lifting technique of getting his hips low and driving through to neutralize his weight disadvantage.

    The embarrassment of Walter over getting slammed early, immediately trying for one of his own and getting countered, then hitting a super-disgruntled one after the apron/ring post power bombs.

    Bate snapped the fingers on Walter's non-chopping hand.

    This is match where you can probably re-watch it a dozen times and find something new to love each time.

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  2. I knew Bate vs. Walter was a great stylistic match on paper, but god damn. That was the most 90s AJ style match since like 1997. I mean just the best parts of Kobashi vs. Hansen/Williams and Misawa vs. Vader all rolled into one.

    The rare "once every couple of years" match that just reminds me why I'll always love pro wrestling.

    On 9/2/2019 at 4:06 PM, Dog said:

    Bate/WALTER was great, but it should have ended after the splash. If we're going to complain about Canadian Destroyer kickouts (and we should), a sleeper suplex on the apron should end it just as well.

    It effectively did. There's a difference between "weak kickout then eat more finishers until you lose" and "kickout then go back on offense where you can realistically win."

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  3. 11 hours ago, JonnyLaw said:

    Fair question, but if all you watch is NXT, Hulu has that and 205Live and 90 minute, next day Raw and Smackdowns and is cheaper.

    I just need to procure some DVDs of WCW shows so I can revisit my childhood memories from time to time.

  4. 18 hours ago, Eivion said:

    Charlotte/Trish was great. Trish looked better than she ever did in her prime and the two gelled generally well. This might have been my favorite match from the show.

    No disrespect to Mickie, Victoria, Molly, etc, but Charlotte is a good bit better than anyone Trish ever worked with in her prime (except like Christian and Jericho if you count one-offs). I'm glad Trish got a match like this to settle the argument whether or not she could hang if she came up today, though.

    Seth/Brock would've been a lot better without Seth catching a case of DDP disease. You don't need an injury angle to build up Brock as a threat. Any non-fan could discern Brock's opponent is an underdog just by looking at them, and people who have followed his career just need to hear his name and the story is set. Seth no-selling the buildup just makes everyone look bad.

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  5. Can't believe no one else thinks Drew wouldn't have been perfect on top of NXT. Main roster, not as much, but his size and style would've made him a big force as a heel. He'd be more of a slugger to complement the speedy technicians, and still had the conditioning and smoothness to fit the modern style. His match with Oney Lorcan was perfect, and that template would've translated well working with Gargano, Ciampa, Ricochet, etc.

  6. I think Drew McIntyre is the guy NXT has really missed over the last couple of years. He would've been the perfect ace. Now they have Matt Riddle, who would also be a perfect ace, in a needlessly dragging feud with Dain instead of dethroning Adam Cole. NXT used to be so good about putting new faces on top when the time was right, but this year they've decided to book Shayna like Brock Lesnar and run Cole/Gargano so far into the ground it's now floating in the Indian ocean. A Riddle title win here would've fit perfectly with his arc so far, and Yim (for all her faults) would've been a perfectly fine short-term champ to transition the belt to Io.

  7. I'm actually gonna have to watch a pre-show for the first time years to see Gulak/Lorcan.

    I always thought Brock and Seth had a good singles match in them after their triple threat with Cena at the Rumble a few years ago, but that was before Brock discovered he could make more money by selling suplex city shirts than by having good matches.

  8. I hope they can find room for Gulak beyond being the new Kassius Ohno. He'd be a great heel NA champ.

    I can't really say I'm excited to see a Forgotten Sons program/match, but I would be interested to see UE work as faces for a little bit (especially O'Reilly and Cole).

  9. I just got around to watching Double or Nothing, and liked it. It reminded me of a better version of Good TNA. Definitely the closest thing there's been to a WCW since WCW folded. I really hope the company does well.

    The Cody/Dustin match was better than I expected and had a rare southern feel that I don't think any North American wrestling has had in over a decade. Lucha Bros and Young Bucks did an overkill spotfest like only they can. The main event was pretty solid with good character work by Jericho even if his new finisher sucks. The Omega/Moxley brawl was fun.

    Most importantly, this show brought a lot of different styles together and felt like a major league wrestling production, not a niche indy.

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  10. Riddle/Strong was great, but this should surprise no one. Riddle is the best wrestler in NXT, Roddy is probably number 2 or 3, and they were in the opener so the time constraints reduced the overkill. This type of match should be the main event style.

    The ladder match didn't stand out to me at all. 20 years of these multi-way ladder tags, and the only 3 worth a damn all happened before 2007 (2 of them by April 2001). A tag team turmoil with two other teams would've been way better here.

    Dream/Breeze was easily the most impressed I've been with Dream during his push. It's one thing to follow the lead of Black, Ciampa, or Riddle in their type of match, but having a good match with a less athletically-gifted opponent who has been ground to heatless dust under the boot of WWE writing for several years is something. Dream really worked like he was several ranks above Breeze (which he absolutely is) and his tweener character looked all the better for it. Unlike the match where he gave 90% of the offense to Buddy Murphy, this showcase works really well to balance his gritty underdog performance against Riddle in terms of rounding out his character.

    Women's match was fine, but even as much as I like Shayna, her reign is starting to feel less like Asuka, and more like Brock Lesnar.

    The main event was better than their first match I thought. Yeah, it was even more overkill-y, but the execution was cleaner in a lot of spots now that they've had more practice together. I also liked that the dueling arm and leg work played into the finishing stretch. I know the superkicks and Canadian destroyers won't be everyone's cup of tea, but the match did have some internal logic to it. Hopefully Gargano is done with NXT, I think he's really done as much as he can here. Riddle taking the title of Cole at the Summer Slam weekend show leading to the UE blow-up is fine by me.

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  11. In some fairness, the article says they're donating proceeds from some merch sales, so that kind of counts even though it probably comes out of the wrestler's cut too.

    Still, you'd think a billion dollar company would like to avoid the press of one of their "superstars" having to set up a gofundme.

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  12. I gave up on WCW after the fingerpoke of doom, only going back to watch 1999 and beyond well after it eventually folded.

    I haven't given up completely on WWE, but it's been over 6 months since I've watched a full Raw or SD. Most of that is due to having a baby, but the staleness of the main roster and stunts like Saudi Arabia shows have ensured that I haven't missed it. I can catch up from the ppv video packages without the grind of watching week to week, and NXT is enough to sustain my wrestling fix.

    I plan on watching AEW, and hope that it injects some life into main roster WWE, though I'm not optimistic as long as Vince is alive since he's already wrapped up his big paydays for the next several years.

  13. 1 hour ago, NikoBaltimore said:

     Ricochet/Rey (which when I asked him about he really wants to happen.) 

    Did you ask him this before it happened in Lucha Underground, or do they want to do it again? If it's the same Rey that we got with Andrade a couple months ago, I'm down.

    I hope we'll get Ricochet/AJ as something other than a throwaway Raw match. I'd also be ok with Ricochet taking the US belt off Joe at Summer Slam.

    Just now, nofuture said:

    Apparently Cesaro is getting moved to Raw too.

    Love the potential singles programs for him on Raw, but leaving Sheamus alone on SD is like adding a second Randy Orton to that brand.

  14. Late to name-chat, but Samoa Joe works solely because it rhymes. If he was Samoa Mike, it would be different. And "American Terry" absolutely should've been Hogan's name when he worked in Japan.

    I feel like there a dozen other cool-sounding names you could've re-branded the War Raiders if you wanted to lean into psuedo-Viking culture for whatever reason.

    • The Beserkers (yes, I know there was already a beserker)
    • Stockholm Syndrome
    • Warriors of Odin

    Hell, even "American Vikings" (which likely would've gotten shit on if it was the name they got) sounds way better in retrospect.

  15. 1 minute ago, Ramo2653 said:

    I don't have an exact memory of all of Dream's matches, but I feel like he spends most of his matches getting beat and selling with hope spots here and there so the Murphy match doesn't really stick out to me.

    He worked a lot more even with Gargano and Ciampa. He controlled most of his match against Ricochet. Even in his matches with Black and Riddle, he got more offense than he did on Murphy. Dream worked Murphy like Murphy was Lars Sullivan.

  16. 3 hours ago, MORELOCK said:


    I am a little confused about what you're expecting regarding the nuances of "actually good" vs. "overachiever."

    And why wouldn't Buddy, the heel, dominate on offense? You act like he's some scrub. He's main roster, just had a months-long title run, and was called up well before Dream. He's certainly higher on the ladder than Dream is now.

    Actually good = Someone who can consistently win at the main event level in fair/convincing ways
    Overachiever = Someone who can only occasionally win at the main event level in less than convincing ways (Ogawa being the all time example, someone like Adam Cole now)

    Totally disagree about the relative ranks. NXT is a way bigger deal than 205 Live at this point. Dream holds the secondary title and pinned the current main champ clean a month ago. No way he should be giving the whole match to anyone who's fringe main roster (which all of 205 is), especially when he has a very noticeable size advantage against a guy who by definition hasn't competed against a significantly larger opponent in months. Dream got more offense on Riddle and the story of that match was that Riddle was an undefeated buzzsaw who everyone expected to out-class Dream once the bell rang. I'm not saying Dream should've squashed Murphy, but not showing more offensive ability here was a disservice to his own belt.

    And while we're talking about the NA title... Dijak's promo, woof.

  17. I was totally underwhelmed by Dream/Murphy. Dream gave up way too much control and both guys looked worse as a result. Dream's got the right idea outside the ring, but once the bell rings, I don't get the impression that he knows what his character is at all. Is he a face or a heel? Is he supposed to be actually good, or an overachiever? Is he supposed to be tough? Crafty? Arrogant? Who the hell knows? At Takeover, he's taking a vicious beating from a guy with indy/MMA cred and pulls out a gutsy win despite being out-classed. A few months ago, he was working even with the NXT champ. This week, he's giving 90% of the match to a smaller guy who should be well below him in status.

    Riddle/Gulak was right there a few weeks ago as a template for a 205/NXT special attraction match where both guys look good, but the NXT star is put over strong in front of the NXT audience. Dream/Murphy went for the "worst matches of John Cena's 2015 open challenge series" layout, where the champ looks worse because he can only hit 5 moves in a 15-minute match and the challenger looks worse because he actually lost to the only 5 moves he took and his 13 minutes of offense did jack shit.

  18. I know the match was like 15 minutes longer than it should've been and Batista's selling and offensive stretch was bad, but god damn did HHH come to work in that match or what? I'm sure he has more leeway than everyone, but I'm impressed by how he's consistently violent he's able to get staying within PG guidelines. His opening stretch here was just nasty with the chain, the cable grips, and the nose ring extraction. The Troy-inspired sledgehammer shot at the end was a nice touch too. I guess if he had any faults here, it was that the match should've been laid out so Batista was on offense first and all of HHH's brutality led right to the finish. Batista responding with shoulder blocks in the corner 5 minutes after having his nose ring ripped out with pliers was the worst fucking thing. He should've been swinging those cable grips with his one good arm or digging a screwdriver into HHH's head or something.

    This was such a frustrating match because there was potential to blow everyone's expectations away and stand out as a legit WWE MOTYC, but there was way too much working against it after the awesome open. Figured Hunter at least deserved a shout since he hasn't done much of note in the ring since 30.

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