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Everything posted by Elsalvajeloco

  1. I remember you bringing that up (the Candy vs. Ladd feud). I wonder if had JYD been the same phenomenon he was for Watts later on in WWF if that would have triggered something. Like I said before, I vaguely remember the end of Dog's run for Watts but I do remember him in WWF. And because Mid-South covered so much territory (and much of that area poor as hell), New Orleans may have as been on the moon for a lot of folks. I don't think it had as profound effect as it could have. That said, I remember comedian JJ Williamson (who is from Mississippi as well but a bit older than me so it makes sense) bringing up Butch Reed on a comedy special he did about two decades ago. He was clearly referencing the Butch Reed from his run in Mid-South and not later on WWF/Doom Butch Reed. I admit that caught me off guard. Between JJ and Daniel Cormier, I haven't heard too many black people bring up watching Mid-South who would have been able to watch it.
  2. Thinking about it a little, I would say O'Malley has a bit more than a puncher's chance but it's not a super favorable matchup.
  3. Mid-South use to run Greenville, MS regularly and that is like 15 minutes away from my hometown, but I believe Memphis had the much stronger presence given everyone had WMC-TV in the Mississippi Delta.
  4. I know certain guys wanted to be in the business (especially folks who had a strong territory nearby), but when did the nationwide obsession begin where it transcended racial lines?
  5. Granted most cards back in the day were only 5 or 6 matches, most cards would top out at 2 black wrestlers max and that's even counting Caribbean wrestlers like Carlos Colon or whatever the hell Abdullah the Butcher is. So yeah, that's pretty much it in a nutshell. I mean even with Ernie Ladd, he had to be the booker to have some modicum of power within wrestling. Given how I've heard stories from like New Jack about how Ray Candy told him how the business was, Stevie Ray not trusting people to the point he was going pull a gun on Vader for taking liberties on him, and how notoriously guarded Ahmed was when he got to WWF, it wouldn't shock me if nearly every African-American wrestler for decades had their head on a swivel.
  6. I vaguely recall him talking about it. Vaguely. Speaking as someone who grew up in a low income African-American household, I know kids would drift in and out obsessions and fads. However, the more accessible it was, the more likely they would stick with. I mean growing up in the Mississippi Delta, we had both Walter Payton AND Jerry Rice as influences. From my home county (Sunflower), we had Archie Manning and my hometown had "Slammin" Sam Lacey who was an NBA player. Lacey was way before my time, but still a big name and he lived in my hometown for a good long time. And we're talking about a place and region with a very small population. So everyone's goal was to play either football or hoops. A lot of the HBCUs had solid baseball programs as well so that was also an option. Maybe the older folks would have a better answer, when did the fanaticism for pro wrestling (meaning to the point someone would want to become one) begin? Was it the late 80s/early 90s that people wanted to be pro wrestlers? It's not like you had wrestling schools everywhere.
  7. I think had there been more African-American representation at the top, then there would have more black super athletes in pro wrestling. Yes, you had JYD and also Ernie Ladd, Thunderbolt Patterson, Bobo Brazil, and some others. However, basketball when Barkley and Malone were growing up had way way more big name black stars than wrestling did that made you want to get into that sport. Ali had a profound influence politically, but his biggest influence I would argue came in getting a massive influx of inner city African-American kids and teens into boxing. Like an absurd amount. And many of them turned out to be gigantic stars that got other big names into boxing.
  8. I keep failing to realize that Nash had a whole good while before he actually became a wrestler. Back in the heyday of the Monday Night Wars and before Google/Wikipedia were the hotness, I kept wondering in 1998 and 1999 why this guy looked like someone's (extremely tall) forty year old beach bum dad who came to pick them up from school. It's because he was 40 years old.
  9. One of the issues with the question though is American baseball has always been one of the higher paying pastimes consistently for a very long time. Pro football wasn't always like that, which is why you saw a run of American pro football players get into pro wrestling and actually make more money in pro wrestling. Even as the profile of the NFL rose, you had people leaving for pro wrestling because of the lack of options. We had a similar discussion about this not too long ago. I am sure you're going to find some anecdotal examples of people who are/were able to make decent living or more than a livable wage playing semi-pro football somewhere and don't have aspirations to go much higher. However, the dream is to get to the NFL. You can stay in minor league baseball for what seems like forever. So it's much easier to pick from the selection of "failed" football players. As a result, you're not going to have a bunch of great examples of Americans who chose baseball as their vocation and then jumped into the world of pro wrestling. Unlike Randy who had Angelo Poffo as his father, there was no natural way for someone playing baseball to transition to pro wrestling. Many football players were able to break into pro wrestling because they got spotted at a gym and someone in the business convinced that person to get in. Keep in mind, even a guy like Randy was small coming into pro wrestling. Yeah, you have folks like Pillman who were undersized and played football but he's the exception to the rule. Pre steroid era baseball didn't have a bunch of folks you would think should be pro wrestlers especially ones who weren't already making good money.
  10. Apparently, there is a HBO Real Sports segment on all this coming with HBO trying to secure some accusers.
  11. I'm still baffled as to why Stan Hansen of all people was dressed like one of the actors from the original Hal Roach Our Gang shorts and apparently living on Skid Row.
  12. I can imagine Vince and Bruce watching the dailies during filming and trading "That's good shit, pal" and lap dog head nods throughout, respectively.
  13. To be fair, most comments under thirst trap images are creepy old dudes. And Jim's tweet was standard creepy (and I mean creepy) old man stuff.
  14. It's the 12/12/1988 episode of Prime Time Wrestling and seriously one of the best PTW moments.
  15. I mean some of them try, but not all of them succeed. South Korea over the last several years has went the action comedy route with a lot of hits (Okay! Madam, Extreme Job, Sinkhole, Exit, A Hard Day) and a lot of misses (Jo Pil-ho: The Dawning Rage, The Soul-Mate). The country is also relying on big name ensemble blockbusters, especially since North America is buying the distribution rights for almost everything now. These movies seem to be rarer and rarer.
  16. The world needed Katlyn Chookagian vs. French Katlyn Chookagian.
  17. In their ten years of existence, PRIDE was known for their underhanded tactics when it came to matchmaking. Japanese natives (usually smaller pro wrestlers) and those who were not represented by top, well known handlers and agents got the short end of the stick. PRIDE made their bones on mismatches and telling the A side fighter about a fight they were going to make weeks before the B side fighter would know. Yes, it (along with the unregulated use of PEDs) made for some great highlight reels and helped some people get over as destroyers. However, that was unsustainable on top of being messed up ethically. I liked PRIDE and do miss it somewhat, but people got deluded into what MMA really was/is. It's been gone for 15 years now, and the one part I actually don't miss is the element certain people loved.
  18. Just caught up and watched the ABC card...man Schnell vs. Su Mudaerji was bananas. The flyweight division needs more fights like that. I don't like Miesha Tate talking about a title shot against Valentina when she hadn't accomplished anything at 125. She comes in and has basically nothing for Lauren Murphy. Like nothing at all. She got busted up bad too. That's not a good omen for what you can do at 125. Jingliang Li is the keeper of all the gates at 170. I've been waiting for Salikhov to run into someone who would finally just get in his face and be very aggressive. Salikhov fights at such a measured pace that it's hard for him to get out of first gear, thus, making some his fights tough to watch. Li was having none of that today. Poor Herbert Burns. His cardio is just...subpar. And it's not like the pace was insane or he was clearly overexerting himself. Credit to Algeo for taking advantage of it though. I like Amanda Lemos and her ability to adjust to any situation. I think the Andrade fight was a little bit too much this early in her career. This was good bounce back win over someone durable. Nice, slick submission too. Sucks the main event had to end the way it did (it's bittersweet cause it ended right before DVR cut off...show ran long I guess). It was shaping up to be a very fun fight too. Hopefully, Ortega can get back healthy soon and they can fight again down the line. I would also like to see Yair fight more so it would make sense for him to fight sometime in October/November.
  19. My belief is that Vince was so ahead of the curve in terms of his vision and ideas compared to the folks that made of the NWA territory membership back in the 1980s that he himself never got the reality check that wrestling constantly evolves whether people like it or not until much later. Once the last batch of pre-made stars came in and out of WWF in 1988/1989/1990, he had to figure out to how to make stars on his own. There was no other places to pilfer. I believe going through that for the next several years made him stronger, but at the same time, made him a bit delusional. You were able to land a guy in Steve Austin who was criminally misused throughout his career and get someone in Dwayne Johnson who had mountains of potential all in the of span of a few months. Meanwhile, you had legacy performers like Undertaker, Bret Hart, and Shawn Michaels who were able to hold the fort until those two rockets were able to take off. Jerry Jones was able to make the Dallas Cowboys the most profitable franchise in sports based off freaky luck he had his first five years as an owner. That success has only emboldened him to make worse decisions year after year. At some point, you just wonder when did this guy lose grip with reality. Then you realize, based on mounting evidence, he probably never had a firm grasp in the first place. It's just that you need to be some level of maniac to take those chances and risks in order to be successful in the first place. However, if you never learn another way, it's only going to lead to futility. If you're making more money than you've ever made, what would be the point of learning another way?
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