Elsalvajeloco
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8 minutes ago, ReiseReise said:
I don't criticize Ospreay in his decision, I just think the statement HHH made isn't anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be and seems absolutely in line with what seemed to be Ospreay's main factors for his decision. If someone would give me the same or better pay for less work with me having six to maybe eight more years to go earning money at this level, I would 100% go for it. Totally with Ospreay on this.
I would not expect my employer to go "He decided against us because our conditions were way worse" though, not even internally.
I think the complaint is the whole less work angle. How many days is Ospreay working compared to the average WWE wrestler? He's working 2-3 days a week compared to the average WWE worker working 2-3 days a week. How is that less work? There is no hard brand split in AEW either.
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In comparison, WWF literally went 3 straight weeks where they teased Bret right after he was gone. I believe two of those shows were in Canada since they would do one live and the next week was taped on Tuesday and it being right after Survivor Series 1997. I thought the little person thing was like the next night. Yeah, that was extremely stupid in hindsight as well but we have to get over DX as immature bullies.
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5 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:
also, WWF created the Yokozuna gimmick just barely before Akebono became a Yokozuna in early 1993. So either massive coincidence, or somebody reading deep into the newspapers.
4 hours ago, odessasteps said:They had already Kitao at Mania in 91, so the idea was prob in back of someone’s head. And it was perfect gimmick for Rodney given his size and it employs another member of the family.
Yeah, I gotta roll with the latter. When he was the Great Kokina, he already looked like something adjacent to a sumo wrestler. So that and combined with Yokozuna being a catchy name, it was a fit. That and the Headshrinkers came in at the same time (or at least debut at the same time). They likely didn't want two Samoan/Islander gimmicks. It would also be a reason to give Fuji more work.
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2 minutes ago, caley said:
And, no offence to Shirakawa (Whom I know next to nothing about), but I think that may have been the single worst major wrestling debut since...Seven in WCW?
How fast do we forget "That's the Butcher....and that's the Blade!". Same company.
And oh, you're in for the experience of a lifetime with Mina.
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9 hours ago, odessasteps said:
If he wasn’t so radioactive, I couldhave seen him going with the company to the next KSA show and then conveniently staying behind for “negotiations” and not leaving.
....Yeah, I dunno if you want that if you're WWE. That might look like aiding and abetting.
It's interesting cause recently in boxing Tyson Fury's American promoter/co-promoter Top Rank had that association with Daniel Kinahan. I saw recently an article where Bob Arum (who is legit 92 years old) when asked about Kinahan and his reputation as a crime figure, he basically said, "yeah, we looked him up on Google and it's not exactly something that's hidden" as a reason they dissociated themselves with Kinahan. Outside of the fact that a near 100 year man is just browsing on Google being hilarious, you cannot feign ignorance in these situations. Granted, Arum was a big shot lawyer before being a boxing promoter so he has a leg up on the average person in these matters.
It would look really bad if WWE, knowing they have someone traveling with them who is in hot water OR in this case, potentially in hot water, go over and then just never return. What are you gonna say? He went there of his own accord on his own private jet?
1 hour ago, zendragon said:Russell Simmons moved to Barbados I believe after his accusations, I don’t see how the government could stop you if your not being charged or have a warrant out
Russell has a place in Barbados and had businesses there before that. He didn't technically "escape" there. That would have been a huge story. Also I think he was/is living in Bali at the time of the allegations and current situation. I believe he just got recently served as well. Either way, Russell then wasn't in the level of trouble Vince is to be "perceived" in now. In the Time's Up movement, out of the all those people that got caught up, how many actually got charged or investigated like Harvey Weinstein? It's probably why the movement died down substantially a few years later. There was Danny Masterson and Kevin Spacey, but that's a drop in the bucket compared to the sheer number of people involved.
And also, it's the U.S. government. They can do a lot of things they technically shouldn't be able to do. However, that's a totally different argument and not really fit for this board.
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5 hours ago, zendragon said:
Can you be considered a flight risk if you haven’t been charged?
There is a weird grey area where technically if you're free and clear like any average citizen, you *should* be able to go and leave as freely. And if nothing seems out of the ordinary, then yes.
However, if you've had one of your residences or multiple in the case of Sean Combs raided, it's probably going to be look weird if you're going to some random country when you yourself don't really travel abroad. Hell, when did Vince ever take a vacation or venture out not tied to WWE? I have heard hours and hours of people talking about Vince and not heard anything saying he just loves to travel around the world. I dunno. Maybe he's like Hyman Roth in Godfather Part II and just wants to return to his home country in the twilight of his life.
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30 minutes ago, MoeCristyV.1.6 said:
Man they sure showed it to Punk...
Punk is going to reference this somehow when gets back in the ring and then immediately precede to tear his triceps.
Nobody wins. Well except everyone like myself and others who find all this hilarious.
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3 hours ago, odessasteps said:
Someone joked the other day that this was TK pulling a Bill Watts.
The funny thing is that Watts would have just let either Phil and Jack or before that Phil and the Bucks just fight it out in the locker room and been done with it, like Butch and Nord, maybe most notably.
The thing though is in the 1980s, legally, it was easier to get away with just cause the likelihood of litigation was minimum. It's the same way when Cornette or someone tells those stories about Lawler soccer kicking marks who hit the ring and went under the ropes. No one in WWE or AEW or TNA is going to do that now. You could bring one of those fans backstage and absolutely go to town on someone. That's a felony now and probably should have been then.
You're not going to hear about many stories like Van Hammer getting KO'd at some party by one of the boys. It's too risky.
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26 minutes ago, ReiseReise said:
All the criticism of HHH's statements confuses me, wasn't Ospreay quoted that he signed with AEW because it enabled him to spend more time with his family in the UK? A WWE deal probably would not have allowed for that, no matter how many times he actually wrestled.
How that relate to being about the grind though? Also, again, I dunno you want to do that when elevating work life balance is very much a corporate thing. If Jade Cargill was like Gunther and some woman living in Europe, they probably would have signed her even if it meant that they had to figured out a way to be with her family when she wasn't on TV. They're definitely not going to tell female talent, "well, yeah, you can't see your kids". That will get you all the bad press if people found that out. And not everyone is going to do the buy your own bus thing for travel purposes.
Matter of fact, Paul was a casualty of what Bischoff called the geographical undesirables seeing as Paul was living in the Northeast (New Hampshire or maybe near Boston) and everyone in WCW pretty much was living in Atlanta. He obviously wasn't going to move to Atlanta even though everybody chose to do that. I am pretty sure guys like Regal and Alex Wright moved there. Was Paul not about the grind since he didn't want to relocate? And that's when he was a single guy with no kids and as Nash and others in the Kliq pointed out had no bad habits and was focused purely on wrestling. No, it just made more sense for him to sign with WWF when a fair amount of the shows would be local for him, and he could drive with the boys everywhere else.
Hasn't Ospreay talked about suffering mental health issues in the past as well? If that is part of alleviating those issues, I am not sure why a booker or promoter would find fault in that unless you're outright saying you don't believe in that stuff like that. I don't think that is something someone from WWE would be against especially post sale. Maybe I am not aware of a certain culture within the company. I dunno.
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14 minutes ago, Octopus said:
Everything fucking sucks
The price for the former is $200 and $65 for the latter....
...uh according to the ladies of the evening.
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A third of the way through 1995 in my rewatch, and I am not entirely sure if I am ready for washed Danny Spivey to show up.
WWF had countless debuts (or returns) in 1994 to early 1995. Out of all of them, the only one to get a "marquee" match on WrestleMania was King Kong Bundy and he had a match so bad with Taker they had to run an angle in the middle of it. The Blu twins match got announced out of the blue (pun not intended) a week or so before WrestleMania when Lex and Bulldog were feuding with someone else entirely.
It's interesting that much of the WWF strategy then is to keep introducing people with very little for them to do and waiting for one of them to hit pay dirt.
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I've seen bits and pieces of Chris Colt. However, I think a fair amount of that was doing the super bizarre Nazi thing in late era Continental.
It's definitely one of those "you had to be there" type things. And to be fair, there are plenty of things that were considered fascinating in 90s and 2000s pro wrestling that would be super hard to explain now w/o any type of context. Plus, kayfabe is pretty much dead so you stopping having wrestlers who provided some sense or element of actual danger cause you're in on it.
I think they probably were focusing more on the gay man in super hyper masculine pro wrestling aspect and how he spent his time as a wrestler making people uncomfortable who probably would've been uncomfortable with his out of the ring lifestyle. From that perspective, it kinda makes sense.
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13 minutes ago, odessasteps said:
I wonder if the feds officially consider Vince a flight risk.
You know what will make him a flight risk? Trying to leave the country under the cover of darkness.
He might not be one now, but I am pretty sure they have steady tabs on him.
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....What is this argument over?
Also, you gotta get into that WWE press conference. Paul Levesque may say something that enriches your life. You never know.
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If Vince ever tried to leave the country abruptly, there will be nice people waiting to greet him upon attempted departure.
You flee BEFORE the investigation, not afterwards.
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I was partial to Homicide coming out to Beanie Sigel
But yeah, if you want to stay up on Youtube, best to clip out/mute the music.
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1 hour ago, twiztor said:
wasn't trying to clear Paul. whether Paul was working or earnestly believes what he said, i couldn't care less.
i just liked your wording and turned it into an irreverent standalone statement on DFW. those never fail to amuse me.
You're easily amused.
Nuff said.
You know what? I like that. Going trademark that.
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20 minutes ago, odessasteps said:
Maybe the local horror show host segments on Saturday afternoon/late night monster movie blocks? Your Svengooli types?
I am guessing that is probably the closest.
I would say the amount of old boxing still up on YouTube and like Vimeo astonishes me but then again, there are bunch of purists who would have grabbed it.
It's actually stuff that is more recent that isn't on YouTube or Dailymotion anymore like swathes of Friday Night Fights, USA Tuesday Nights Fights, and random Showtime/HBO cards from the early 90s to 2008. Some of it got taken down for copyright (Don King content from the SET/Showtime days usually) and the rest never got uploaded.
Dmitry Salita did everyone a solid a few years ago, bought some tape libraries (Cedric Kushner, Main Events/Garden State Boxing/Gary Shaw Productions, and other smaller promotions), ripped them, and uploaded them for free on YouTube in pretty good quality. So that takes care of a solid chunk of fairly recent stuff.
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20 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:
Is it possible that territorial wrestling makes up an unusually high percentage of surviving local television programming from the 80s? Like there’s probably not a ton of midday local news from 1983 circulating online.
And if you remember the Tiger King documentary, there’s still a certain amount of local stuff that doesn’t get seen outside of a market. But not as much as years ago.
How much local programming would have went through a sustained tape trading renaissance that pro wrestling did?
The further away you get away from something, the tougher it is to bring it back.
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8 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:
"High technology technology", love it
A thought, if you have the Mid-South set handy, the breakdancing HAS to be in the extras footage.
First few minutes of the episode for those who don't.
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4 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said:
I remember his random tangent about his airplane being painted improperly, along with his weeks-long tirade about some guy in Jackson, Mississippi named "The Welcher" who must've been a promoter that stole money from him. You're right, nobody could pull that off today without getting utterly roasted.
"So yesterday, I was helping my kids out with their school project..."
Bill, ten minutes ago Jim Duggan and Ted DiBiase were sincerely fighting over who was the best dressed in Mid South and using "high tech technology" to monitor crowd response. Let the segment breathe, Cowboy.
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Funny, on the heels of THE FOOTAGE in AEW, we're talking about a lot of stuff done on Mid South TV shows that would get you absolutely ridiculed and mocked in today's social media age. To the point where you delete and scrub all your accounts. Honestly, I take a lot of stuff being done by Bill as well intentioned. However, the music video with his kids, putting over local business partners, sucking up to local famous people, etc. is very disarming but somehow very non pro wrestling. It's very local guy made good. Like he should have a bunch of car dealerships around town. It's like an inherent contradiction. Bill Watts is the definition of pro wrestling, but he's allowed to do stuff that definitely ain't pro wrestling. An outsider like Tony Khan cannot do that and it's taken as disingenuous when done cause he wasn't in "pro wrestling" and is a legit businessman. It's an amazing paradox.
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Okay it's on the 2/2/85 episode.
Quote-It’s a Butch Reed music video, and Bill Watts doesn’t shy away from the nepotism at all, freely admitting that the other people in the music video are his sons and their friends, which gives us our historic first glimpse of Erik Watts on a professional wrestling telecast. And he has a mustache. AND HE’S POP-LOCKING. Stop the show, we’re already done.
This wouldn't be the low point for Erik Watts, believe it or not.
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AEW - APRIL 2024
in ALL ELITE WRESTLING
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Eh...it can be applied either way. Choking someone out is more or less slang especially in America whereas knockdown and knockout are official terms. Also, I guarantee if you choke someone enough and they don't go out, they're still going to be a bit disoriented. I don't use it personally but it's liberally applied cause it's not officially a thing.