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  1. Say what you want about the tenets of straight edge, dude, but at least it’s an ethos
    9 points
  2. I can't resist weighing in on the straight edge thing too. I've had a decent amount of unpleasant interactions with sXe dudes over the years but I can say as someone with 11 yrs of sobriety under his belt that straight edgers pale in comparison to the peer support/recovery militants you meet who will aggressively remind you to no end you are not doing sobriety the right way (meanwhile they never saw a 20 year old newly sober woman they couldn't wait to sidle up next to and "sponsor"). My brother refers to these guys as "AA University" which would be a great name for a heel faction. One of the many (many!) things I love about Jon Moxley is it's clear the program didn't get to his head, man.
    8 points
  3. I didn’t get the last PPV. I wish I did so I could see the main event. I always wondered what the people at the absolute top of who we all think are the best thought of OC. Dax talked him up huge on his podcast. But I did not know about anyone else. OC having a main event PPV match against Mox is such a huge endorsement. Mox rules so hard. There is no way Mox is going to have a match for a secondary title unless it is with someone he really respects and knows he can have a classic with. Mox would probably have a World Title match with absolutely anyone no matter their level — that’s the business. But some weird title they kind of just made up for no reason a while ago? No way. Dragon put OC over so big in that press conference. He said (paraphrasing) Mox is the best in the world right now, but OC is in the conversation. And I do not think that Danielson was just being a company man — he really means it. There are still people in my circle who say they don’t like OC’s shtick and don’t understand why nobody kicks him or punches him when he does the soft kicks. That just shows that people aren’t watching, because people always fire off on OC when he does that, or they do their own mocking version. But then OC a lot of times uses that against his opponent right after. I was not that into OC before his injury. I liked Best Friends as a unit but OC’s shtick was amusing but not anything I really would go out of my way to watch. But since his return and the title run, he has had nothing but good to absolute fantastic matches. And none of them followed any real formula — all completely different. And he had bangers with Kip Sabian, Big Bill, an epic Memphis fight with Jeff Jarrett, Lee Moriarity, Yuta and I can’t even remember. Keith Lee? And they built it so well week to week with more injuries adding to the list, which meant he had to be more clever each time with his Bugs Bunny escape wins. And his final title defense came right after he gave a really epic promo as only he could, with the “I don’t have a catchphrase” becoming his catchphrase. I don’t think we have had a weekly “not quite the main event but sometimes the main event” act like OC since The Shield tore down the house every week before they grabbed the top spot. Either way, he just finished off one of the best runs with a midcard title ever. That was an absolute masterpiece of a saga. And even though Danielson has forgotten more about wrestling that any of us will ever know combined, I have to disagree with him. Mox is the one in the conversation because OC is the best in the world right now.
    8 points
  4. Flair doesn’t get enough credit for being carny enough to convince territory era promoters that it was in their best interest to make him look rich.
    7 points
  5. for a guy whose last name was pronounced a few different incorrect ways in Mid-South or St. Louis... BiBiase is a new one
    6 points
  6. Then Buggin' Out totally flips when he finds out about Chief Jay Strongbow's real heritage?
    6 points
  7. Mox teaching Renee how to blade as we speak.
    6 points
  8. Crazy stat: Cagematch isn't perfect but it's pretty good for 2010s-2020s stuff certainly. Billie Starkz has 417 matches on Cagematch Britt Baker has 259 Jamie Hayter has 255 Willow Nightengale has 408
    6 points
  9. I think what's most important is that Punk creates a dummy account, comes back to the board, and comments on every Dynamite.
    6 points
  10. As I saw somewhere else - Campbell should give him a game ball. Have to hand it to him though - he'll drop it otherwise.
    6 points
  11. "This has an asterisk with no Jones and no Kelce" fuck off Tirico, every team has injuries, it doesn't mean a win has an asterisk.
    6 points
  12. CM Punk gives the scene world we grew up in a really bad name. It’s because most of us grew up and became adults and took the best part of basement shows — you can make your own fun, you’ll find your tribe, etc. — with us into adulthood. Punk decided that the best part about going to basement shows was the self-righteous scene politics part of things that made me glad I never lived in a group home with my bandmates (and I was never in a band.) Like “that guy” was enough when I was 22, imagine being not too far away from 50 and still being like that but about your fake fighting career?
    5 points
  13. The last punk house in town was a loft apartment dubbed thee Death Tower by its (many) inhabitants. I was told recently by two female regulars/friends that I was the only person there that didn't feel threatening/make them uncomfortable. That was one of the most depressing things I've heard in my life.
    5 points
  14. Yeah. As much as I worship '80s hardcore I would have been pushed out of that scene by the violence of the bonehead fascist and straight edge cliques, and just the random buffoons, real quick. Metal might've not been too fun either. As much as I think like Saint Vitus that I was "born too late" I can see myself probably only participating in the scenes via records and tape trading.
    5 points
  15. The straight edge kids in my town were always the first to fight the Nazis so they’re obnoxious but okay by me
    5 points
  16. I read this paragraph in Craig Finn’s voice.
    5 points
  17. Yeah, me too. I was straight edge before I knew what straight edge was. The last time I tasted alcohol I was 13 years old (so technically I'm over 35 years sober, but seeing as I never had a drinking problem, it seems silly to claim it that way). I've been a CM Punk fan since I bought the IWA-MS Sweet Science 16 2002 on VHS tape. I spent most of his WWE run decrying how badly they were underusing him. And I've enjoyed most of his AEW run. But by all accounts he's been acting like a proper twat the last few years. And the one most important way AEW differs from most other wrestling companies is, Coach Tony K didn't grow up in wrestling and doesn't have aspects of the Wrestling mentality. Trying to attack Vince backstage is probably a less stupid idea than trying it on Tony Khan.
    5 points
  18. Does anyone else think this was one of the best put-together Dynamite episodes of the year? I thought everything flowed smoothly and came across so well this week, and it's also got me massively excited for Joe vs. MJF, though I'm wondering if they want to do it at Grand Slam or save it for WrestleDream. I think this was one of the better, most forward-moving episodes of Dynamite in a while, with very little wasted time, and everything really seemed like it came off close to perfect. Liked having Orange Cassidy have a little moment at the beginning than linger as Moxley, Fox, and Darby came out for the opening contest. I thought it gave a nice little edge to the opening contest. I liked that Darby came out with Fox at the start to give a little moral support for him. Moxley wins and looks strong, and then they transition seamlessly into the segment with Christian. They packed a lot into that first 20 minutes or so, but it all came across well and was not rushed because it didn't feel like they were having everyone run into the ring and interrupt the match to get their spots in. The transitions felt more subtle. Kris Statlander vs. Emi Sakura; short-ish match and title defense, but did the job of building up Statlander. I actually got a kick of Roddy's little sit-down testimonial talking about his parents, sleeping with a BB gun. I've never thought of Roddy as a big promo guy, but since he turned heel he's actually been holding his own incredibly well. Aussie Open vs. Le Sex Gods was a good TV match. I'm assuming they are building to some sort of blow-up between Guevara and Jericho. It's somewhat amusing how many face and heel turns Jericho is going through. He's now basically become AEW's Big Show. I'm assuming they are going to have Guevara and Jericho win the tournament with Jericho turning on Guevara, or they lose their tag title shot. If it leads to a Jericho/Guevara feud it could be something good. Not sure if MJF vs. Joe was the original plan post All Out, but it works perfectly, especially as a way to test out babyface MJF. Joe and MJF had great chemistry, and Joe has always been gifted with his promo ability. Great beatdown by Joe as well with MJF selling the neck injury. Another good transition for this segment having the Joe/MJF promo segment segue into Adam Cole's relationship with MJF, Strong's jealousy and then having Strong escorted by Kingdom for his match with Trent. All that flowed really well to get us from a long talky segment and then to a match, all while reinforcing multiple main storylines going on. Strong and Trent also had a good TV match this week. Taven and Bennett played their roles perfectly this week. Loved how they made sure to check on Strong's neck constantly and put his neck brace back on after the match. Nice touch. I'm enjoying Toni Storm's new old-school movie star gimmick. She does it well. Her throwing the shoe at Renee was also hilarious. Renee also did tremendously playing off of Toni's schtick. Definitely on board for a feud between Swerve and Hangman. That was a good way to get it started. Mogul Affiliates was bad, not really Swerve's fault, but I think Mogul Embassy works better for him, especially Prince Nana. Nana dancing to Swerve's music was perfect this week.
    5 points
  19. The only straight edgers/sober people I met in the punk scene were nice guys more into stoner rock than anything, ironically, and also dorky wrestling fans like myself. One of those groups named themselves Dino Bravo! Our old scene was real drunk and druggy though (and unfortunately most all of my bandmates ended up being total pieces of shit). All the punk houses and the bands fell under the weight of the addictions of the residents and other, way worse things. Never any violence except for behind closed doors... There is still all ages spots around town but I don't really know what's up these days. Being a college town helps. Punk to me seems like the kind of dude whos entire music collection is Epitaph Records bands.
    5 points
  20. Also, from what Hausman and Sapp have reported, Punk wanted out of AEW and is happy to be gone. Now that this thread is just trading show stories I think we can definitively say this whole event was the best thing for everybody
    4 points
  21. Rousing success, happy for the state of the industry, can’t wait to see what heights they reach next?
    4 points
  22. I hate that Victory Records shit so much. Bad "hardcore" (read: slow, poor groovy metal), spinkicks from the punching penguins, athletic print sweatshirts... the only thing good about it is the unintentional hilarity. Stuff like the singer from 25 Ta Life. Bemasked Punk with his goons and bald (yet in true WWE style, implanted) Serena was indeed pretty good and I wish I watched more back then.
    4 points
  23. One of the weirdest things about being into punk in the 90s is that the craziest shows largely involved not sXe vegan animal rights bands — Earth Crisis and the derivatives. So weird because being vegan in the 90s was insanely hard. You essentially existed on Rice Dream, plain bagels and instant soup. My vegan friends would go the Krishna temple in Philly and get people trying to convert them or go to a buffet in the basement of a sketched out Nation of Islam home where kids were being raised only on raw foods. I never associated people with vitamin deficiencies with windmill tossing but those shows were always the ones where there were fights (on top of the music sucking.) There was a legendary show (might be on YouTube, can’t look right now) that I almost went to but doors shut before we could get in. Earth Crisis and a bunch of those bands were playing at a community college in Central Jersey. The members of this band Ink and Dagger and their cohorts from Philly went up and wore fur coats and threw yogurt at Earth Crisis and you can only guess what happened next! Truly inspired stuff of legend.
    4 points
  24. I think the first time I heard the term "straight edge" was in a NOFX song that I was probably really drunk when I first heard it.
    4 points
  25. See, I would have a twist where it's never been Toni throwing the shoe, it's Thunder Rosa joining with the Outcasts since the AEW mainstays hate her.
    4 points
  26. i'm just jealous of all of you that had "clubs" and "scenes" and got to "see live music". My first concert was at age 16, we had to drive an hour and a half to get to the venue, and it was an actual venue, not a bar or nightclub or whathaveyou. i had never even heard the term "straight edge" until Punk, and i only know maybe 1 or 2 people who have claimed that. Now that i'm self-reflecting, i can't think of a single adult in my adolescence that didn't drink (and most smoked as well). Probably not a surprise that alcohol is my drug of choice too. I don't think i even recognized not drinking as an option. Mind you, i'm not complaining. i drink responsibly for the most part now, although that certainly wasn't always the case.
    4 points
  27. I do hate this and a lot of that comes down to who and what Rollins is and how he's presented. Pop quiz. Call upon your inner memories: what was Rollins in this initial championship run? Most people are going to say he was a smaller Shawn Michaels type with more modern trappings. He had the pedigree and other things where he didn't have to rely on strength. He did the triple dive, missed the phoenix splash, etc. Right? But when you actualy watch this, he also did strength spots and kicked out of a bunch instead of just getting a foot on the rope or whatever. He wasn't some sort of cerebral assassin technician who worked on a body part or lured people into mistakes. He was basically crossfit jesus, but in a way that was supposed to present him as an "all-arounder" when he wasn't really presented that way. He would have worked out fairly well in AEW this way actually, but WWE had guys who towered over him and were obviously stronger and bigger. He wrestled like his stats were put in all the wrong attributes. He'd do the triple dive and the phoenix splash but also roll through to pick up Cena and sort of meet him evenly. Maybe it made him feel like more of a champion, but it wasn't the role he should have been playing. He's gained a lot of confidence over the years of being ok looking like an idiot and embracing it and getting over it and I haven't willingly watched one of his matches during that period so maybe he's gotten better at figuring out how to work more vulnerable without constantly making it seem like he's doing someone an athletic favor in the process, but this is a guy who could have been more over and more effective and drawn more money if he just realized how vulnerable he should have been there. Instead he injuring both Sting and Finn with the buckle bombs. The first act has Cena powering him just a little bit more and that works for me (on second watch at least) all the way to the triple dives but then it starts to get dumb. Cena was losing his purity of vision by this point too, starting to do the top rope rocker dropper and the ugly springboard stunner when he probably should have leaned even more into the meat and potatoes stuff. That's the other thing about Rollins; there's a bunch of stuff he tries to do where he flips to his feet out of something or whatever where he just doesn't hit it clean. Sometimes, if someone doesn't hit something clean it gives it a little more edge or realism. With Rollins it just makes it look like he can't even do the stuff that he's supposed to be good at, while he's going around trying to do a bunch of things that he shouldn't be trying to do. All that said, judging the match we got instead of the match I wanted (Which is a dumb thing to do, honestly; just saying), I didn't mind the first half of this as much as the second half when they start actually hitting the bombs instead of just trying to hit them, but end up hitting them too early and kicking out and having a bunch of match left. The big problem with the finish is that it should have led to something even bigger and it didn't. It just had a sort of bs rationale and Stewart spent too long setting up the spot and teasing he'd do it or he wouldn't do it in a way that made no sense either if he was really trying to decide or if he was going to hit Cena all along. You know who was a way better celebrity basically doing the same thing? Mark Feuerstein. That guy should have gone into wrestling after Royal Pains ended. There was probably a really good match these two could have but it would have involved Rollins bumping and feeding and stooging a lot more and Cena just trying to kill him. I get that they did that with Brock; hell I was live for the Rumble in Philly when they did do the Brock 3-way and while I never want to watch that back, it was fun in person because Rollins died a hell of a lot more. Cena doesn't need to be Brock, but he should have been different in his forward motion. This didn't establish Rollins as being more equal and more of a main eventer in beating Cena. Anything anyone's going to remember is the finish. Cena putting on the figure four made it more about Cena vs Flair's legacy (and to do a degree could have led to Stewart's decision rationale; seeing that Cena didn't DESERVE it because he was just playing around). And that would have been ok if the future program was Cena vs Flair or Cena vs Stewart, but that wasn't where this was headed. And then the crowd. The crowd was both enabling all of this and encouraging it. Cena getting the split reaction was fine against Danielson but against a scumbag heel like Rollins it just made things more annoying. They basked in it for a moment, but I don't think Rollins had any real idea what to do with it in the way others might have. It's funny I did get both Cena vs Danielson and Cena vs Rollins in this cycle because the difference is absolutely night and day. Two last points. 1. Emma was awesome in 2015 and it's her own damn fault that she didn't realize that it was ok to just be that character. When she came back to WWE and didn't come back as the bubble popping character it was nuts. 2. 2015 was almost ten years ago. I know I am old and established and have been here forever but I spent a lot of the 2000-2010 period flaunting my relative youth around here. And I feel like I spent the next few years getting my comeuppance when someone who was younger like Casey came along with a loud mouth and big opinions. You stay somewhere long enough and you become the old person. And if the younger people stay long enough, a lot of them grow into people who you are very glad to have around and to see in a friendly light. Casey is absolutely someone who I am glad is here. I don't always agree with him, but we've come to agree on a few things, and at the very least we've come to understand each other. You're still a bastard for having me watch this bullshit though.
    4 points
  28. If the live ppvs were included I would pretty much sign up. It’s $120 if you just want the live ppvs and $120 if you want all the rest. I’d pay $120 for the total package, but $240 is a bit much. Hopefully this all gets rolled into max at some point anyway.
    4 points
  29. TK might be really trying hard to sell Honor Club but ROH needs to be squeezed back onto TV somehow. Hell, I'd take 3 AM on TNT to break up the nightly Charmed marathon. And this is also important: it needs to be an hour. Like, Rampage is the crappy hour, have ROH be the straight wrestling back to back hour like Collision turned into, only with their (saying this sucks, but) lower caste performers. Having it be a version of Dark/Elevation is fine but the length of the shows right now is ridiculous, the crowds are burnt, and honestly I really miss Sinclair's random showings.
    4 points
  30. I’m pretty sure at the time I believed E&C were brothers more than I believed it about Matt and Jeff. Especially with early Hardys, I thought they put a brunette and blonde kid together as a Veronica or Betty thing for teenage girls. And their real names being Hardy? Get outta here.
    4 points
  31. I don’t have honor club but I really wish Billie and Athena were on my tv every week.
    4 points
  32. I'm going to guess: Fucked some possums, fucked an armadillo, fucked Inoki's pet possum or armadillo.
    4 points
  33. THE CUTEST PUPPY IN THE HISTORY OF DOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!
    4 points
  34. At a house party ska show back in my college days there was on asshole trying to start a full on mosh pit so the singer went over and punched him in the face and the rest of us had a good laugh and didn’t see him the rest of the night. Good times great memories
    3 points
  35. 3 points
  36. There was a girl in my middle school who was a grade below me whose last name was DiBiase. She pronounced it Dih-bee-ACE. This was around 1987-1988, so a few classmates who liked wrestling teased her about whether everybody has a price, where Virgil was, etc. My sister, who was on a softball team with her, explained to her who Ted DiBiase was and she just shook her head.
    3 points
  37. I think the WWF only interviewed Hulk Hogan’s very Italian-looking parents once (on the 1/23/84 Garden show) but it’s interesting how many top WWF/WWE guys were Italians not doing ethnic acts. Hogan, Randy Savage, John Cena. You could do a Sal’s Wall of Fame of Italian pro wrestlers with some surprises as local patrons ask why no black wrestlers are on the wall.
    3 points
  38. I stopped going to shows after high school and didn’t miss it much. I was mostly there to pick up scene girls, which was a terrible strategy since they made up about five percent of the audience, were already there with guys twice their age, and scared the shit out of me.
    3 points
  39. I've never even heard the Hold Steady and had no idea who that was -- and sound nothing like him haha. My introduction to straight edge was (go figure) Minor Threat. But by that time sXe people were playing music that wasn't fast and was half-baked versions of the good metal I was already listening to, so it went no further until I got into old stuff like SSD and Negative FX later... whos crowds/members were of course the introduction of violence into sXe. And then they went to shit musically too. I'm just dipping my toe into recovery and my phone meet yesterday morning had a tape of a recovery speaker who was basically a drill instructor yelling at you. That shit is not gonna work for me.
    3 points
  40. Maybe recency bias since we were just talking about them in another thread, but I thought Edge and Christian were pretty believable when they both had the long hair (and especially early in Christian's WWF tenure when they were with The Brood, and dressing in the same shirt). On a side note, I remember really hoping at the time that Christian's Light Heavyweight title win would elevate the belt's status to that of WCW's Cruiser division because they were killing it so hard at the time, but it was not to be
    3 points
  41. This is where the lack of an over budget battle royal is truly felt...
    3 points
  42. Did Collinsworth just accurately name the Detroit wrestling territory or am I hearing things?
    3 points
  43. I was dancing along with Nana last night and my cat looked at me like she wanted something to eat. Ok, she probably thought I was nuts, too.
    3 points
  44. I have no dog in this fight, but I do have a keyboard so I'm compelled to spew my opinion. I've never trusted straight-edger's, back in my punk rock/heavy metal days I would hang with all sorts of people, but the straight-edger's always felt off to me. Not sure if it was their holier-than-thou attitude that most (not all) seemed to exude. With drunks and stoners I knew where I stood. (And it was usually next to them right on the edge of the pit.) Hope Punk finds peace somewhere, I get the feeling the only peace he'll have in pro-wrestling is starting his own promotion.
    3 points
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