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I'm not on here a ton which means I don't get to do that much moderation.But reading a lot of the longer threads here and they are cluttered up with people posting "why are you discussing this?" "why does anyone care about this", "please end this thread" posts. This is a discussion board where people discuss stuff. If you don't want to read that discussion, don't read it. But whining like a baby, "why are people talking about this thing I don't care about" doesn't contribute to anything. STFU, people who do care are talking...not everything is about you. I will start giving people time outs for crying when grown folks talking. You've been warned.

When oh when will WWE stop burying Randy Orton?!

I imagine the conversation between DeAngelo Hall and Desean Jackson involves a lot of "Indubitably!" and "Poppycock, good sir!" and adjusting of the monocle.

"I'm 26, Jerry. I think I'm a little too old for you." She's got balls to go into that little clique and shit on their buddy and then trade jabs with them. They circled the wagons and she held her own. She's so much more ambitious on the mic than almost anyone else. It's a man's world motherfuckers and AJ Lee is down for that shit!

Isn't that like every tag team Russo ever booked?

I hope it's okay to post quotes here. Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “I’d been brought up to believe that if you had a problem with someone, you told them to their face, and that’s what I did.” (p. 5) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “Despite my success in the ring, many fans turned against me [after Wrestlemania 12]. I was devastated and responded by lashing out at just about everyone. I pushed buttons and became a real lightning rod. If someone started spreading rumors that I was refusing to put people over, I’d walk into the locker room and start shouting, “I’m not doing any jobs!”” (p. 6) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: "When he "played wrestling" as a kid with his friend Kenny: “Kenny would win the match and become the new champion. Yes, I was doing the job, and no, I didn’t have any problems with that.” (p. 42) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “I was blessed with enough talent that even if I were operating at less than one hundred percent, I was still better than most others.” (p. 122) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “I moved back to San Antonio for our wedding. The Nasty Boys came, even though they weren’t invited.” (p. 132) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “We simply wanted to win, and who doesn’t? Is it really fair to call someone trouble when he wants to win a game he is playing? You are only difficult or trouble when you demand to win or place ultimatums. Then you are not only trouble, you are a spoiled brat.” (p. 142) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “Vince would listen, say your idea sounded good, and then somehow explain how it wouldn’t work. But he did it in such way that you’d come out of the meeting feeling good and being in complete agreement with him.” (p. 162) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “I told [Vince McMahon] that I might be a pain in the rear sometimes, but one thing he could always count on was my honesty. I would always tell him the truth.” (p. 182) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “Shane [Douglas] came in with a big reputation from ECW. He was a dirt sheet hero. He talked to the sheet guys, and they built him up like he was the second coming, but he had little talent. He wrestled Kid when he first came in, and Kid came to the back and said, “Isn’t going to happen.” If you can’t work with Kid, you can’t work period. Kid was a wrestling barometer. Everyone that came in the door worked with him so they could be evaluated. The fact is, Douglas was no good. We tried to help him. Hunter tried to come up with some material and angles with the guy, but he was worthless. I’ve heard Douglas claimed that we were sandbagging him, but that makes no sense at all. Who goes out and says, “I’ll show you and the fans, I’ll have a bad match”? Neither Kid nor Scott was going to go out there and stink the joint out. That’s a reflection on them. Douglas was over in ECW because he could cuss and knock other people. He bad-mouthed Ric Flair to no end. He’d say, “Ric Flair couldn’t lace my boots.” Who did he think he was? I don’t mean to disrespect the guys who were in ECW, but they did things simply for shock value, and there’s no art to that.” (p. 214) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “[bret Hart] was insensitive, selfish, spoiled, and cruel.” (p. 245) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “I knew that I wasn’t well liked, and even though I said it didn’t bother me, there was always a part of me that wished people would like me.” (p. 278) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “Vince also called a meeting that day [after Montreal] to explain the situation to all the boys. He said it was his call and if anyone didn’t like it, they could leave. Mick Foley had walked out in protest, but was back the next day. I guess his job was more important to him than his principles.” (p. 279) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “When Vince told me that he was going to go with Steve at WrestleMania XIV, I wasn’t bothered at all. Steve deserved it. Also, I was having so much fun now, the championship didn’t matter that much to me.” (p. 282) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “I flew in every week for TV to shoot interview or vignettes [to build up Wrestlemania 14], and I became a real bear to deal with. I’d snap at the smallest things and constantly make threats about not showing up at WrestleMania. Everyone in the company was looking to the future, and that meant the concentrated their time and efforts on Steve Austin. I was looking for a pat on the back, some acknowledgment that I was doing something courageous for the company, but none came. I felt neglected. It hadn’t been that long ago when everything was about me, and I was resentful. My way of getting back at the situation was to make life as difficult as possible for everyone. It wasn’t the right thing to do, but I was immature and that’s how I handled it.” (p. 284) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “Somehow a rumor got out that Undertaker stood in the hallway taping his fists as I made my way to the curtain. The insinuation was that ‘Taker was letting me know that I better do business and not try any funny stuff. Plain and simple, this never happened. It was “reported” as fact, but is nothing more than an urban legend that someone felt compelled to make up. (p. 286) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “I didn’t talk to Hunter for another year and nearly ruined a friendship with one of the most decent and caring individuals I’ve ever had the privilege to call my friend.” (p. 305) Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph: “That Sunday [in 2002], I was in church and the pastor was giving a sermon explaining how the Lord talks to us, and we have to listen to him. “Pray, and the Lord will answer,” he said. “If you don’t hear anything, maybe he isn’t saying anything. Maybe you should stay exactly where you are. But if he wants you to be somewhere or do something, he is going to make it happen.” Right then, my phone rang. It was Bruce Pritchard from the creative team. I picked it up and told him I was in church and had to call him back. After the service, I called Bruce and he said they wanted me at TV on Monday. After what the preacher had said, and the timing of Bruce’s call, I knew the Lord was speaking to me. I told him I’d be there.” (p. 314) Bobby Heenan: Wrestling’s Bad Boy Tells All: “I had to call him [promotor Wally Karbo] one day over my payoff. “Wally, I haven't been paid in a month.” He said, "Oh pal, I'm on the phone with Eddie Graham in Miami. He's got an outdoor show tonight and it's raining like hell." Then he hung up. Now, Miami had nothing to do with the AWA. It had nothing to do with my call. I just paid hard-earned money to call him and got a weather forecast to a place I wasn't going to.” (p. 27) Bobby Heenan: Wrestling’s Bad Boy Tells All: “Ray Stevens was married to a woman wrestler who was about 10 years older than he was. She was tough, but Ray claimed she wasn't all that tough. He would say, "I used to have her on her knees twice a week, begging." "Did you hit her?" I would ask. "No, she was telling me to come out from under the bed and fight like a man.”” (p. 30) Bobby Heenan: Wrestling’s Bad Boy Tells All: “A lot of guys go out there and take those bumps off the top of a cage or building because they can't work. That's the truth. If they could work, they wouldn't have to do that. Falling off a cage wouldn't hurt me. My trunks would be so full of shit halfway down, I'd land in a nice, big, soft spot.” (p. 167) Chyna: If They Only Knew: ”I have Big Jessica Rabbit Beauty covering a heart that won’t stop longing for the little things.” (p. 192) Chyna: If They Only Knew: ”By all accounts [my Housekeeper match against Jeff Jarrett] was one of the most entertaining and fun matches in WWF history.” (p. 274). Chyna: If They Only Knew: ”[HHH] really looks married to Stephanie McMahon, doesn’t he?” (p. 299) Edge: Adam Copeland on Edge: ”In a pretape before the next match Triple H and I once again got into each other’s faces. He told me to win some world titles before getting in his face. My response was that I could’ve taken his path and slept with the boss’s daughter to get to the top. Ouch!” (p. 202) Hardy Boyz: Exist 2 Inspire: Jeff: ”I love [Edge]. He’s straight-up and really sincere, a true friend.” (p. 151) Hardy Boyz: Exist 2 Inspire: Jeff: “I was so grateful to Triple H. I know how the business is, how the top guys are about putting younger, smaller guys over. It showed me that Triple H genuinely respected me.” (p. 186) Hulk Hogan: Hollywood Hulk Hogan: ”The other problem was that Eric [bischoff] started listening to Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. They were of the opinion that wrestlers should talk more and not wrestle so much. The Kevin Nash brought some of his friends in and they didn´t fit in real well, so it became a bunch of bull instead of business.” (p. 375) Hulk Hogan: Hollywood Hulk Hogan: ””Terry”, [Hulk's dad said to him on his deathbed] said, ”I don’t like what that guy Russo did to you. And I don’t like the kind of wrestling I see on television these days. Go back and fix it, Terry! Go back and fix wrestling and fix what happened to you.” Then it got to where he couldn’t talk because of his tracheotomy. But when he saw Vince McMahon on TV on Monday and Thursday nights, he would perk up and a light would go on in his eyes. And even though he couldn’t say it anymore, I could hear it: go back and fix it, Terry. Go back and fix it.” (p. 417) JBL: Have More Money Now: “I didn’t even win the championship in the ring. I just showed up, and the promoters handed me a championship belt. They claimed to the media that I had won the belt in Puerto Rico, which would have been hard to do, since I had never been to Puerto Rico at that time. I won the Korean Championship the same way, then lost it every night for about two weeks all over the Korean peninsula. I lost the Korean Championship about ten times. I never did win it.” (p. 63) JBL: Have More Money Now: “Anyway, this particular day I went the wrong direction and ran over Max Montoya, who had just been acquired for a large sum of money from the Cincinnati Bengals. Kim Helton, the offensive line coach, asked me what was wrong. I told him I was confused. Helton explained to me that they had paid Max a lot of money to come to Los Angeles, and if I didn’t mind, the next time I got confused, could I please do so around one of the lower-paid players?” (p. 68) JBL: Have More Money Now: “I asked Tom [Pritchard] if he would like to slow down, and he looked at me (which was okay, because he certainly couldn’t see the road) and asked if I was scared. I told him, “No, I am way past scared.” Now, depending on whose story you believe – the truth or Tom’s version – the next part becomes very interesting. According to Tom, there was a ditch in the middle of a major four-lane highway that he ran headlong into. According to Dutch [Mantel] and me, Tom ran off the road and almost killed us while he was asking if I was scared.” (p. 119) Jerry Lawler: It's good to be King... sometimes: "When I was still living with [my mother], there were rules. I had to be in by eleven o'clock, no matter what. One of the nights I was due to wrestle over in West Memphis, there was freezing rain in the air. In Memphis, people panic if they think the roads are going to freeze. My mother said, "You can't go." I said, "But I'm wrestling in the main event." She said the bridge would freeze over and I'd have a wreck. I had to call and say I couldn't be in the main event because my mother would't let me go because the roads were going to be slick." (p. 101 - 102.) Jerry Lawler: It's good to be King... sometimes: “Terry Funk came to town several weeks in a row and he and I had knockdown, drag-out battles that only Terry Funk famous for. We wrestled each other week in and week out for almost two months and somehow Terry kept coming up with the short end of the stick. Looking back, it may have had something to do with the fact that I was part owner of the wrestling company, but nonetheless, Terry lost most of those matches.” (p. 218) Death of WCW: "[Jim] Herd felt that Flair, at forty-two years old, was over the hill and ought to be replaced. He even went so far as to claim that Flair should cut his trademark bleached-blonde hair, wear an earring, and change his name to Spartacus." (p. 36) Death of WCW: "Foley truly hated the amnesia angle. When he came back to the ring, he attempted to salvage things by claiming this was all part of an eloborate ruse to play mind games with Vader. However, even after he said these things on TV, the announcers continued to play up his amnesia. This despite him saying that he didn't have amnesia." (p. 51) Death of WCW: "The show opened in a manner most bizarre, as Bischoff, Sean Waltman, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash and the rest of the gang circled the arena riding atop garbage trucks. Say what you want about him, but even the most jaded sceptic has to give Bischoff points for originality: certanly no pay-per-view in the history of pro wrestling had begun in such a manner." (p. 94-95) Death of WCW: "On February 17, Randy Savage was named Real Man of the year by the Harvard Lampoon for exuding "universal manliness." Welcome to 1998." (p. 128) Death of WCW: "In June, prelim wrestler Bobby Walker filed a lawsuit against the company claiming racial discrimination, saying WCW told him point blank that he was being hired as a token black man, and that he always had to lose. Never mind the fact that there were ten times the number of white guys who were asked to always lose by WCW. Another one of his points was that he made a lot less than many of the white performers, including - he actually said this - Ric Flair." (p. 138) Death of WCW: "Shortly after the Ric Flair heart attack angle, someone in the company really did die. Referee and former wrestler Brady Boone, who began working for Crocket in the mid-80s, was killed in a car accident. Gene Okerlund made mention of his death on the WCW Hotline. His comment was that nobody had ever said a bad word about Brady Boone because nobody had ever heard of him." (p. 161) Death of WCW: "Goldberg, the World Heavyweight champion, again worked the semi-main, successfully defending the title against Kevin Nash's original parter, a man named Al Greene who hadn't wrestled in what seemed like decades. Exactly how Al Greene became the number-one contender to the World championship remains to be ascertained." (p. 150-151) Death of WCW: "After all the banter back and forth, the online accusations, and the radio show interviews, Dana Hall got back together with Scott. Mean Gene was so happy for the couple that he immediately requested fans drop $1,49 per minute to hear the details on the WCW Hotline." (p. 187) Death of WCW: "As if Jericho couldn't wait to get out of the company fast enough, his fiancee went to the store one day and bought a Jericho-Malenko WCW doll set. Strangely, the receipt claimed that she'd purchased a Hogan-Sting pacage. Of course, that meant that Hogan and Sting got the residual revenue from the purchase, not Jericho." (p. 206) Death of WCW: "The first post-Bischoff PPV was Fall Brawl. If anyone needs evidence of how screwed up WCW was at this point, consider the fact that they'd done such a poor job of planning that there wasn't any card at all a week before the show aired. Even the cable companies finally lost it, and the following add appeared in newspapers nationalwide: "We're the advertising agency and they won't even tell us who's going to be there! For God's sake don't miss it!" Below that, it read: "Sunday, September 12. Insert time here."" (p. 213) Death of WCW: "And speaking of titles, Psicosis was suddenly the Cruiserweight champion. Thankfully, WCW.com explained what happened: "Psicosis was awarded the belt after the West Hollywood Blondes angle was dropped."" (p. 223) Death of WCW: "Russo, irate at the negative Internet response to the the shows, went ballistic on WCW Live, saying none of this was his fault, and the reason ratings hadn't turned around was because Standards & Practices had banned, among other things, angles like Roddy Piper calling Rhonda Singh "fat" and Ed Ferrara mocking Ross' Bell's palsy. Nobody was sure how a fat Rhonda Singh or a poor Jim Ross impersonation was going to turn the company around, but Russo was indignant." (p. 225) Death of WCW: "The only other "highlight" of the show was a match between Tank Abbott and a guy named "Big Al" that no one had ever heard of before (or since, come to think of it). At the end of their leather jacket on a pole match, Tank pulled a knife on Al, and screamed, "I could fucking kill you!" He then placed the knife squarely on Al's throat as the cameras quickly cut away. Tony Schiavone, thinking on his feet, came up with a remarkable explanation: "Tank", he said, "was just trying to shave Al's beard." Unfortunately for Tony, Al had no beard." (p. ?) Death of WCW: "June 15 was notable for a $ 50.000 ad that ran in the intrnational version of USA Today plugging Monday Nitro that evening on TNT. Sadly, WCW placed the ad so that it appeared in a paper that came out on Thursday." (p. 268) Death of WCW: "The big angle to end the show had Bret Hart return and meet Goldberg in the desert. Don't ask why they were there, or how Goldberg got all the way to the desert within ten minutes of leaving the Nitro building." (p. 277) Death of WCW: "Lex Luger, in an interview segment with Stevie Ray called "Suckas Gots to Know," asked if what he was about to say was just between the two of them. Apparently he was unaware that the program being broadcast nationwide to several million people. Stevie was apparently unaware as well, since he responded that it was "just between you, me, and 5,000 viewers." Yes, 5,000 viewers. Tony Schiavone tried to make the save by claiming - really - that he meant 5,000 viewers in each house." (p. 286-287) Death of WCW: About Sid vs. Goldberg: "In order to promote the eventual encouter, Sid came out on Nitro one week and claimed that he was 55-0. Never mind that he hadn't had fifty-five matches on WCW TV since coming back. Or, while we´re at it, the fact that he´d lost several times on TV over the past few weeks alone. By midway through the show, he was at 59-0 despite not having won any matches. Bobby Heenan explained this by saying he'd already beaten up nine men. Nobody was sure how 55 plus 9 equaled 59. The next week, despite losing at every house show the company ran, he was suddenly up to 68-0. Then he pinned Juventud Guerrera, Lenny Lane, and Lodi. This made him 70-0. Again, do not ask how 68 plus 3 equals 70. Three days later, on Thunder, Sid said he couldn't wait to get six more wins so he could break Goldberg's 176-0 streak. And, ummm... yeah. Once he did this, Sid inexplicably added, he was going to "shake all over." By September, Sid at 76-0, lost to Saturn via DQ when Rick Steiner ran in. On Nitro the following Monday, however, he was billed as being 77-0. So yes, losses were now counting as wins in this streak." Chris Jericho: A Lion's Tale - Around the World in Spandex: "Fit [Finlay] was a friend of Robbie [brookside] and Doc and when they introduced me he said, "What are you doing here?" "I'm wrestling in Hamburg right now." Finlay smiled his gap-toothed grin. "Give those guys in Hamburg a message for me," he said cheerily. "Sure" i replied just as cheerily. "Tell those cunts to fuck off." I returned to Hamburg and told everyone that Finlay had wished them well in their future endeavors." (p. 175) Eric Bischoff: Controversy Creates Cash: "There were individuals who worked for WCW overseeing our live event promotion who weren't up to the job. Gary Juster, in particular, was in my opinion the most ineffective, untalented individual I've ever had the misfortune to work with." (p. 254) Eric Bischoff: Controversy Creates Cash: "I Never really liked Lex [Luger] much. [...] I hadn't had much opportunity to work with him face-to-face, but overall I thought he was an arrogant ass. He treated people badly and had too high an opinion of himself. And I never really thought much of his talent. [...] But between his lack of talent and piss-poor attitude, I had no interest in him whatsoever, and I told Sting that. Bringing in a guy like Lex Luger, a guy who in my opinion did nothing but bitch and complain and was a marginal talent at best, just didn't make any sense to me." (p. 158-159) Eric Bischoff: Controversy Creates Cash: "At the Montreal show, he had the referee quick-count Bret out, awarding the title to Shawn Michaels." (p. 262.) Batista: Batista Unleashed: "Hey Sarge, if you're reading this - I think about you every day, you fuckin piece of shit. Yeah. You're a fuckin piece of shit."(p. 62) Batista: Batista Unleashed: "I don't have a whole lot of bad things to say about people, but Bubba Dudley will always be a piece of shit in my book." (p. 142) Terry Funk: More Than Just Hardcore: "Now, I don't think Tony Schiavone or Mike Tenay suck, but I think they had gotten away from describing wrestling with simplicity, which is the cornerstone of great wrestling annoucing. They had gotten into a pattern of describing moves almost in code, using all these fancy, contrived names that don't really tell the people what the move is. You're gaining new fans all the time, so it's important to explain things to people in a basic way. I shouldn't have to get out my slide rule to figure out a 360, a 450, a 720, or a 1080, or whatever. By the time I've finished adding and subtracting, and figured out the degree of the flip, the goddamned match is over!" (p. 214) Terry Funk: More Than Just Hardcore: "And I walked back into the other room, to get the money I knew they'd [iCP] left [for using my match vs. Abdullah on one of their tapes without permission]. I have to tell you, I was excited. I was thinking, "Oh boy, I bet they left me twenty bucks, or maybe even forty," which would have just tickled me pink. I thought I'd have enough for pay for the chili [we made for them for dinner], at least, and so I was really happy at the notion of having twenty bucks. I went in there, lifted up the jar... and there was four thousand dollars there! And so let me tell you people something right now - I love the Insane Clown Posse! The next retirement match I have, they're going to be in the semi-final! They're the greatest band in the world, and I have all their records. Haven't got around to listening to them yet, but I have them here somewhere." (p. 226.) Tito Santana: Tales from the Ring: "After a meeting in the middle of 1992, Pat Patterson came up to me and said, "Tito, it took a long time for us to decide who we were going to let become the new champion. but you should know that it was between you and Bret. But Vince decided to go with Bret."" (p. 130) Bret Hart (My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling): "[stu] never pushed me to became a pro; he believed I could still go to the Olympics or the Commonwealth Games if I wanted. He once put it to me this way, "Don't you want to walk down the street and hear people say, there goes Bret Hart, he won a gold medal in wrestling?" I replied, "I'd rather drive by these very same people in a brand-new car."" (p. 34) Bret Hart: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling: "Though he didn't travel the circuit any more, Stu always came to the Edmonton show on Saturday night. The first time Jim [Neidhart] came with us, Stu detected the aroma of marijuana on the bus. He jumped up out of a dead sleep and barked, "Who the hell is burning tea leaves?" (p. 62) Bret Hart: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling: "Before I knew it I was lying naked on an inflated mattress, drinking cold beer, watching as a cute, naked Japanese girl lathered herself in soap and slid over me, washing me with her pussy." (p. 94) Bret Hart: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling: "Rude was carrying Warrior through every match. That night he found himself wrestling him to the mat, whispering in his ear that if Warrior potatoed him one more time he'd rip his head off and shove it up his ass. Warrior, who never showed much regard for his fellow wrestlers, melted like putty." (p. 255) Bret Hart: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling: "There was something different about my fans. They really believed in me as a person". (p. 312) Bret Hart: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling: "I was never sure whether the routine mixing of downers and alcohol was a case of wrestlers trying to kill their pain with drugs or kill their drugs with pain so they'd have an excuse or justification." (p. ?) Bret Hart: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling: "On November 12 [1993], J.J Dillon called to say that Vince had signed off on my revised contract. The thought crossed my mind that a victory over Vince probably meant he'd fuck med somewhere down the road." (p. 332) Bret Hart: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling: "Owen gave me a nudge to alert me that Bruce had pulled the biggest and greenest of the Knights aside and was giving him a script the size of Gone With the Wind, with Bruce presumably playing Rhett Butler." (p. 333) Bret Hart: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling: "Over the years, Stu affectionately modified my mom's nickname from Tiger Belle to Tiger Balls." (p. 348) Bret Hart: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling: "With Owen and me headlining, Anaheim, San Jose, Chicago and New York did the best house show business since the glory days of Hulkamania. We were each making $7,000 to $10,000 a week. Even Martha stopped hating wrestling for a while." (p. 352) Bret Hart: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling: Wrestlemania 12: "The crowd exploded as Shawn's music played. I couldn't believe my ears when i heard Shawn angrily tell Earl, "Tell him to get the fuck out of the ring! This is my moment!" I dropped out of the ring floor and left him there on his knees, crying with the belt in his arms. I had firmly placed the torch in that little monster's hands." (p. 388) Bret Hart: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling: "The simple truth was that there was no trust between [me and Shawn] anymore. Looking back now, I can see that this wasn't Shawn's fault any more than it was mine. Vince was the one who planted and cultivated the seeds of that doubt. Vince was playing his old favourite and his new favourite together like he was God himself." (p. 442.) Bret Hart: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling: "Smith [Hart] was talking about suing Vince because, he claimed, he and Owen were going to open a wrestling school together. Owen would't have opened up a lemonade stand with Smith!" (p. 495.) Ring of Hell: "Pro wrestling is showbiz, not sport. Hulk Hogan can still walk around his many mansions, the Dynamite Kid can't get up from his wheelchair and walk to the mailbox to pick up his welfare check." (p. 14) Ring of Hell: "While making breakfast, multi-tasked Stu [Hart] scanned the floor for errant cat or dog turds, which, if spotted, he would flip into the trash with the same spatula he used to flip his flapjacks." (p. 42) Ring of Hell: "Future ECW world champion Tazz was inexplicably gripped by an earthshattering orgasm immediately after taking a routine suplex from Kevin Sullivan." (p. 50) Ring of Hell: "And as far as Stu Hart or Vince McMahon knew, the newsletter writers that rated such ECW "classics" as The Gangstas vs. The Public Enemy a perfect five stars out of five were trustworthy." (p. 171) Ring of Hell: "In one pocket was [Paul Heyman's] best tool - a doctor's prescription pad that he used to write out bereavement notices that would garner his workers reduced airline fares and who knows what else. Wrestlers would be baffled when stewardesses bit their lips and made solemn pouting faces when they checked in at the airport, only to find out that their "brother" had died for the fifth time in six ECW shows. When they attempted to call Heyman and find out what the story was, the boys likely got Paul's "roomate" on the phone, whose voice sounded identical to Heyman's. The "roomate" promised Paul would call back; the Virgin Mary appeared in tortillas and pieces of toast more than Heyman returned phone calls as promised." (p. 172) Ring of Hell: "Hogan's ego had reached Antonio Inoki levels of megalomania during his run at the top, during which he had imbided so wholeheartedly of his own bullshit that he told McMahon he wanted to accept an offer to fight Mike Tyson in a fair, honest-to-god competentive fight." (p. 179.) Ring of Hell: "Real actors and athletes have unions and lawyers; TV wrestling stars have garishly scarred foreheads from the countless times they've mutilated themselves with razor blades at their bosses' request." (p. 187.) Ring of Hell: "The Harts would recieve eighteen million dollars in a "wrongful death to negligence" civil suit settlement with Vince McMahon. One year later, in the very same Kemper Arena, in front of many of the same fans, WCW had one of their wrestlers fake a fall similar to Owen Hart's and be carried out on a stretcher while the announcers worried about his life." (p. 242-243.) Ted DiBiase: The Million Dollar Man: "After a match at the Boston Garden, Andre, Tito Santana, Arnold Skaaland, and I headed to the hotel bar after checking in. All four of us were sitting at the bar drinking. Andre decided to challenge me to a drinking game. "I tell you what, boss. You get five shot glasses and you can put whatever you want in them: beer, whiskey, water, milk, whatever. I will get five large glasses filled with beer. We'll line them up, five shots for you and five beers for me. I'll bet you I can drink all five of my beers before you can drink five shots. If I win, you buy everybody a round. If you win, I'll buy everybody a round." I looked at Arnold and Tito. I knew full well that I couldn't outdrink Andre. But I only had five small shot glasses to his five twenty-ounce beer glasses. I could certainly drink those faster than he could. "Okay, Andre, that's a bet." "Now, don't mess around. The only rule is that you don't touch my beer glasses and I don't touch your shot glasses." "Okay, that's fair. Let's do it." The bartender poured whiskey in my five glasses and Andre got his five beers. Arnold was the referee. As soon as he said go, Andre had inhaled one beer as I had finished my fourth shot. After he finished his first beer, he turned his glass upside down and placed it over my fifth shot glass! Since the rules stated we couldn't touch each other's glasses, there was no way I was going to get my fifth shot. I shook my head in disbelief and Andre casually finished his four beers. Then with a smirk he said, "Kid, buy a round for everyone."" (p. 112.) Ted DiBiase: The Million Dollar Man: "Vince helped the Warrior get over by putting him in the ring with guys who could make him look good: me, Jake Joberts, and Hulk Hogan. All of his matches with Hogan were a credit to Hogan's wrestling." (p. 166.) (FEL! Hogan och Warrior möttes enbart EN gång i WWE, och Warrior mötte aldrig Jake Roberts.) Ted DiBiase: The Million Dollar Man: "The ending of the King of the Ring tournament was quite spectacular. They crowned two kings, Bret Hart and Lex Luger, because they both landed on the floor simultaneously." (p. 186.) (FEL! Det var på Royal Rumble.) Ted DiBiase: The Million Dollar Man: "[Goldberg] held numerous titles, including the Heavyweight Championship for about three months back in 1993." (p. 201) (FEL! 1993?!) James Guttman: World Wrestling Insanity: "There's man on man rape, necrophilia and general perversion cluttering up professional wrestling's on air product and the biggest problem that WWE can reach for is the fact that you, the customer, refer to a heel instead of a "bad guy". Now those are some crazy ass priorities." (p. 202) Andre the Giant: A Legendary Life: "Hulk Hogan: "Before the match started, I told André I didn't want to just beat him. I wanted to really give the people something they could tell their grandchildren. I wanted to bodyslam him. It was a crazy idea." Vince McMahon: "Please. His idea? He didn't have any ideas in that match and he wasn't supposed to. André told him what we were going to do, André called the slam. Hogan couldn't have slammed him if he didn't want him to. He couldn't have slammed me if I didn't want him to slam me, much less André."" (p. 158) Hulk Hogan: My Life Outside the Ring: "I'm not afraid of getting hurt. I'm not afraid of pain. It's the aggression that leaves me shaking. I mean, if wrestling wasn't predetermined and was some kind of actual fight, I wouldn't have gone anywhere near it. I was only attracted to it after I discovered that it was entertainment." (p. 15) Hulk Hogan: My Life Outside the Ring: "I had a friend named Vic Pettit who lived in the neighborhood and whose dad owned the local bowling alley. [...] I've seen that kid bowl three back-to-back 300 games. That's thirty-six strikes in a row!" (p. 15) Hulk Hogan: My Life Outside the Ring: "Hell, going all the way back to my days running in and out of L.A. between trips to Japan there were a bunch of times when a few other guys and I put John Belushi's ass to bed." (p. 110) Hulk Hogan: My Life Outside the Ring: "My nephew is Michael Bollea, who would eventually wrestle as Horace Hogan in the National Wrestling Alliance and over in Japan." (p. 114) Hulk Hogan: My Life Outside the Ring: "And get this: Linda even accused me of carrying on an affair with my pal Brutus Beefcake. I swear to God! From the onset of our marriage she insisted that he and I were lovers. She insists the same thing about me and my friend Bubba the Love Sponge, the radio DJ here in Tampa, too." (p. 160) Hulk Hogan: My Life Outside the Ring: "We haven't tag-teamed in the ring for quite a while. In fact, I've renamed him Brutus 'the Barbeque' Beefcake because he mans a mean grill. I'm telling you, you haven't tasted steak and lobster until you've tasted Brutus's." (p. 295) Hulk Hogan: My Life Outside the Ring: "[Linda's] drinking also started to affect the family. It seemed like every night she would get into the wine, and before long, she'd start cussing everybode out - including Brooke and Nick. I can't tell you how many nights I went to bed and the last words I heard before my head hit the pillow were "Fuck you, Terry." It got so bad, she wouldn't touch me. We'd go to bed and roll over, and there was no physical contact whatsoever. Just the "Fuck you" ringing in my ears. At her worst, she said those same word to the kids. If I ever said F-you to one of my kids, I wouldn't be the same person. It I ever said F-you to one of my kids, I wouldn't be the same person. It would shake me to my bones. But when she was drunk, she didn't hesistate to use foul language in front of the kids. I even heard her use the C-word on Brooke." (p. 179) Hulk Hogan: My Life Outside the Ring: "[Muhammad Ali] was the guest referee at the very first WrestleMania - holding my arm up when I won the championship belt." (p. 234) Hulk Hogan: My Life Outside the Ring: "Not to spoil the movie for you, but there's a real sad twist at the end of The Wrestler. [...] And he dies. He dies right there in the ring, and all of his dreams die there with him." (p. 300) Chris Jericho: Undisputed: "I would rate Hogan as one of my all-time favorite opponents. He was a master of including the fans and getting them involved in the match every step of the way. One time a kid was holding a sign that said 'HOGAN IS A JEDI'. When I took umbrage to that blasphemy and ripped the sign into pieces, Hogan grabbed me in a full nelson, took me over to the kid, and let him take a free shot. Then he gave the kid a high five and said, 'May the Force be with you, brother!'" (p. 221) Dustin Rhodes: Cross Rhodes: "Looking back, though, I realize that Vince [Russo] doesn't do anything that doesn't make sense." (p. 137) Legion of Doom: Danger, Death and the rush of Wrestling: When the Crockett Cup weekend rolled around on April 10 and 11 at the Baltimore Arena, honestly I was a little disinterested in the tournament. I guess I got a little too used to winning everything and was a little put off when we were told we wouldn't take this year's Cup. But I quickly gor over it. I had to. At the end of the day, as hard as it was, I always had to remind myself that the wrestling business was a work and I couldn't feed info all the bullshit about wins and losses. The second a guy takes championship belts and himself too seriously, he becomes a mark. Sure, it's easy to be swept up in the hype, but we had to maintain a separation between outselves and our gimmick. To keep grounded in this industry, all I had to do was remember that the most important word in the phrase "wrestling business" was "business". Everything else was details. As cliché as it may sound, above and beyond everything was the commitment I felt to being a consumate professional and giving the fans what they paid for." (p. 210) Brock Lesnar: Death Clutch: "My very first television appearance as the WWE Champion was on a Monday Night Raw that was broadcast live from Madison Square Garden. I know all these famous arenas mean something to a lot of people, and there is a lot of history in the Garden, but none of that means shit to me." - (p. 67) Brock Lesnar: Death Clutch: "You want to know why there aren't more stories in this book about my pro wrestling days? Because the truth is, I don't remember a lot of that period of my life." - (p. 78) Brock Lesnar: Death Clutch: "I dropped the WWE title to Eddie Guerrero at the Cow Palace in San Francisco. The whole story line was centered on Bill Goldberg getting into the ring and giving me a spear. I didn't believe Vince wanted the title on Eddie Guerrero because he though Eddie would draw more money than I could, or that Vince had this vision in his head about me versus Goldberg at Wrestlemania. I suspect Vince made the decision to take the title off me because Kurt had told him I was thinking about leaving." (p. 101) Brock Lesnar: Death Clutch: "I like Bob [Holly]. He's a good guy and he takes his shit seriously, but I didn't want to work with him. Nothing against him, but wrestling Bob Holly wasn't worth anything to me at the time. We did our match at The Royal Rumble, and that should have been the end of our story line. But now I have to travel all the way to South Africa to work with Bob Holly? Could anyone please tell me why? I knew no one would pay to see that match. Since I'm not really needed, give me some time off. I really needed the break by this time, but John Laurinaitis told me how much I'm needed on the card. AGAINST BOB HOLLY? Are you shitting me?" (p. 101-202) Brock Lesnar: Death Clutch: "I thought I was headed into the NFL, but that wasn't the main thing on my mind. All I could think about was getting away from Vince, and escaping the WWE lifestyle. Everything else was secondary." (p. 106-107) Brock Lesnar: Death Clutch: "I know I handed Frank [Mir] that victory. I gave it to him. He didn't deserve to win. He's not a better fighter than I am. On his best day, he's not half the athlete I am on my worst. I gave him my leg on a silver platter, just handed him that submission. That was my loss, not Frank's win. I screwed up. [...] Just thinking about it now gets me pissed off all over again. I absolutely knew in my heart, my mind, and my soul that I am a better fighter than Frank Mir. Losing to Frank was one of the worst moments of my life, because I lost to someone who simply did not deserve to beat me, let alone even be in my Octagon." (p. 165-166) Bob Holly: The Hardcore Truth: "Some time after I'd quit the tough-man contests, a bouncer friend of mine told me that the owner of the bar where he worked had been trying to come up with different ideas to draw a crowd. What he'd come up with was to bring in a bear and see if anyone could take it down. I'd never been to a zoo and I sure hadn't seen a bear in person before, so I figured, why not? I'll go wrestle a bear. The worst that could happen was the bear killing me." (p. 26-27) Bob Holly: The Hardcore Truth: "Nobody was making money [in Mid-South]. The most I ever made for working for Jeff [Jarrett]'s useless fucking Pappy was $189 for two weeks' worth. $189 for 12 shows. That's about 15 bucks a match. You couldn't even eat and get to the shows on that. [...] It was terrible. Meanwhile, [Jerry] Jarrett and Lawler were putting all the money in their own pockets. The only wrestler they paid well was Jeff. He was driving around in a nice vehicle and making a ton of money. What could any of us say to him? His dad was the promotor! Jeff was a real dickhead back then. Still is, as far as I'm concerned. He reminds me a lot of Triple H - and that's not a good thing. Jeff will stab you in the back because he's not man enough to stab you in the front. When you talk to him face to face, he's charming and he'll suck you in, make you feel you can trust him, but as soon as you're gone he'll bury you, and you'll never know it. He's the furthest thing from a man. I ended up working with him in the WWF years later and he just kept doing things that made me realize how worthless he is." (p. 44-45) Bob Holly: The Hardcore Truth: "Triple H would ass-kiss his way into [The Clique] when he turned up in 1995 and kept ass-kissing his way to the top of the industry. Before Triple H, Shawn was the biggest asshole in the company. He was a complete dick." (p. 73)'' Bob Holly: The Hardcore Truth: "Hunter is probablaby one of the easiest people to work with. No matter what else I might say about him - and we'll get to that later - he is really fucking good and there's no other way to put it. He knows what he is doing; he knows where to be and when it's time to to certain things. He's not selfish, he doesn't do things off the cuff, and everything he does makes sense. He's a great storyteller in the ring." (p. 87) Bob Holly: The Hardcore Truth: "Whenever stuff went down between Shawn and Bret, Kevin said he would kick Bret's ass. Nash is the biggest seven-foot-tall pussy I've ever seen in my life and Bret Hart would have eaten him for lunch. I'd tell Nash that to hos face too - because he wouldn't do jackshit to me." (p. 97) Bob Holly: The Hardcore Truth: "Everything came to a head between Bret and Shawn in '97. In the last six months that Bret was with the WWF, I was sure he was having a meltdown because he thought Shawn was being put before him and he couldn't stand it. I still had a lot of respect for Bret as a person and absolutely non for Shawn but even then, I still thought Shawn was hands-down the greatest worker to ever step foot into the ring. Honestly, I think the issue started because Bret couldn't stand that Shawn was better than him. In his own mind, Bret was the greatest wrestler who ever put on a pair of boots. He really believed he was a real world champion. No, Bret, you were a world champion because you were told to be a world champion." (p. 105) Bob Holly: The Hardcore Truth: "Now, I would have marched right over to Shawn and knocked all his teeth out but Bret got into a hair-pulling contest with him instead. Shawn was doing a pre-tape promo backstage and Bret snapped when he saw Shawn - he went running over to him and pulled his hair like a little girl. He pulled a big chunk of hair out of his head. Are you kidding me? He's supposed to be a man!" (p. 106) Bob Holly: The Hardcore Truth: "It was much later that I finally made a judgment on what had happened in Montreal. A conversation between Bret and Vince that was taped without Vince knowing ended up in the documentary Wrestling with Shadows. In it, Bret says he doesn't want to lose to Shawn and would rather hand over the belt on RAW the next night. That's when I lost very ounce of respect I had for Bret." (p 109) Bob Holly: The Hardcore Truth: "The people losing the titles are told to let the other guys win. So what did you win exactly?" (p. 140) Bob Holly: The Hardcore Truth: "I don't care for women wrestling, especially what they do now in WWE. They put these women out there who can't wrestle a lick and it exposes the business. Sure, we all know it's a work, but this is a step to far. Fans don't want to see women wrestle. They want to see tits and ass. [...] Lita was horrifying. She thought she was so much better than she really was. Trish Stratus was all right but wasn't that great a wrestler, nowhere near as good as everybody makes her out to be. [...] Melina was the most hated girl in the locker room at one point - she thought she was the best wrestler and the best-looking female and she was neither. Kelly Kelly was there for years but she never learned to work a lick." (p. 143-145) (Nu ska jag i sanningens namn också säga att Bob namedroppar brudar som han faktiskt tycker är riktigt bra; Gail Kim, Beth Phoenix samt Jackie Moore, och säger att Maria inte må vara en bra worker men att hon gav sitt allt och gjorde sitt bästa.) Bob Holly: The Hardcore Truth: "Hunter apparently didn't like [Tough Enough] because he felt the business shouldn't be exposed any more than it already was. Hunter doesn't like anything that doesn't benefit Hunter." (p. 184) Bob Holly: The Hardcore Truth: "I get asked a lot if I used steroids. Hell yes, I did. I'll be the first to admit I was on the gas. So was almost every single person in that locker room in the '80s, '90s and into the 2000s. I'm not ashamed of it." (p. 227) Bob Holly: The Hardcore Truth: "Relationships with other people in wrestling don't work a lot of the time either. It's not something that will get you in trouble with the office, but it could compromise how you're seen by the company and by your peers. Melina and Batista had something going on when she was with John Morrison. John was an idiot for being okay with that: what man in his right mind would be okay with the girl he lives with messing around with another one of the boys? When he found out, he should have been a fucking man and whipped Batista's ass. John could have taken Batista in a fight for sure. He was just afraid he'd lose his job because Batista was one of the top guys and was living in Hunter's colon. I don't get why Morrison didn't just drop Melina. Nobody liked her anyway so he would have earned a lot more respect for walking away." (p. 257-258) Bob Holly: The Hardcore Truth: "The only time I really made a point about my standing in the company was some time in 2005. I remember being in catering and watching back the previous week's show. One of the commentators said something about me being 'one of the toughest guys in the locker room.' That got me thinking, and I ended up deciding to go and find Vince to talk about it. As it happens, I ran into both Stephanie and Vince in the hallway and said, 'Hey, I have a question for you both - if the commentators are telling the whole world that I'm one of the toughest guys in the locker room, why am I losing all the time?' They both just stood there, staring blankly and searching for an answer. Eventually, Steph said, 'You know, that's a good question.' Vince said, 'We'll get back to you on that.' They didn't." (p. 265)

Why are we assuming Vince hasn't already made plans to have himself frozen (a la Walt Disney)? For that matter, why are we assuming he will eventually die? Vince is both the genetic jackhammer and a big ole carny. I don't see him doing the job for Death (who, after all, has never drawn a dime for the company).

Mick Foley nearly shoot kills himself at Hell in a Cell and it's "FOLEY IS GOD" Mick Foley uses an alternative method to taxidermy in order to preserve a cherished family pet and it's "FOLEY IS MENTALLY UNSTABLE"

One would then assume it ended with one of them shouting "I SAID GOOD DAY!!!"

I hope Triple H is booking RG3 because we would get 7 more weeks of this.

This is the best thing Ted DiBiase, Jr. has ever done.

They shouldn't even let Low Winter Sun come on after that.

Okay... here we go. Hopefully I didn't fuck this up too bad... We had 29 Ballots submitted (23 were submitted the last time) Breakdown: 100 Votes = 21 Ballots* 75 Votes = 1 Ballot 50 Votes = 7 Ballots * - Control submitted a 100 vote ballot but one movie was ineligible. He just didn't have a #100. I am still lumping it in with that group. 705 Movies Received Votes (675 the last time) I kept the 100 point thresh hold because I wasn't thrilled with leaving a movie someone voted #1 off the list. The last list had 275 movies so we added 55 movies. Other things to remember Tiebreakers 1) Fewer # of votes 2) Highest individual vote 3) Magic - Please don't post your ballots in this thread (there will be a separate thread for that near the end). It's okay to say that you voted for something after a movie shows up but we want to keep the mystery alive. - I will post the full list of votes when I am all done. My Goal is to do 10 movies a day and 10 over the span of a weekend. That may or may not happen every day but that is my goal. I will start the countdown today around lunch time... mainly so I can do one last check of the list.

I think it's pretty clear that the Triple H/Orton/Shield/McMahons stable needs to be called "The Business".

Don't front that you wouldn't watch the fuck out of 'Stone Cold' Steve Autism.

Aww... You are so lazy

It's going to be so awesome when Danny Trejo's living head comes in on the tortoise and sets shit straight It just took this long because tortoises are fucking slow

"These damn flags won't get out of my way!"AJ Styles can sympathize, until he realizes you actually said "flags".

"Do you come from a land up over? Where the women glow and the man chauffeur. Can't you feel, can't you feel the polar? You better run, but never do sober."

The match that immediately came to mind when I saw this thread is Ric Flar vs Bobby Eaton 2/3 Falls from Clash of the Champions. I absolutely loved that match when I was a kid, and clearly remember a bruised tailbone resulting from a Alabama Jam on my wrestling buddy.

Wtf mick... in regards to the chikara thing, sometimes you just have to realize that not everything is made for you. It stops being "fuck twilight" and becomes "well yeah they made that for teenage girls, whatever"

I like that this thread is the equivalent of goodhelmet taking his dog to obedience training. Very Caesar Milan like with his quick corrections.

This thread has convinced me I'm not part of Chikara's target audience. I don't have a clue what a LARP or an ARG is?

They should start a promotion called Wrestling is Painful and have Harley Race rough all these nerds up for 90 minutes, then have the reunited Steiner brothers stiff the shit out of people who try slow motion and/or grenade throwing spots.

Lawler is due nothing. Dude's been phoning in at this job for years. History is for teachers and the WWE isn't school.

I'm just listing the traditional role that belt has always played. You are making an issue of gender, which is bush league. I have a bush, more or less. So I'm hardly insulted by this idea. And saying the women's division is a piss break is hardly gender-friendly. Not that you're the only one who has ever said it, but most don't insult a diva for taking her job seriously. Sod off with that white knighting shit. It's pretty much always been a piss break. And that's beecause WWE treat it like one. It's nothing to do with the fact they're women.

Goodell needs to start booking rg 3 stronger than this. . .

Yeah - I noticed the Skins fans aren't flapping their gums anymore about the Giants turnovers now

I'm just pleased Chip brought the playcalling signage with him. Granted, it's a multi-colored pinwheel instead of a giant posterboard with pictures of Chris Berman, a socket wrench, two mismatched socks and a duck but at least it's there. I do so hope we get that posterboard some day. And then the No Fun League will immediately squash it.

If we ever see a "50 Lance Storm matches better than" anything on this board, I am going to assume that they sold the site either the Tea Party or that religion that Tom Cruise believes in

Peyton Manning and Victor Cruz on my fantasy team...my poor opponent.

That Ironman match ruled. It was so smartly laid out in terms of falls and the like. Ironman matches are my favorite gimmick matches. They did so many really great things like taking a DQ fall in order to gain another one -- really clever stuff that I never contemplated would happen. The layout of this match had Pat Patterson's fingerprints all over it which is a good thing because that dude knew how to put matches together like no other. It also set the template for the other Ironman matches to come later. The only strike against the match was the ending, which wasn't the fault of HHH or The Rock but because they wanted to have outside interference from The Undertaker factor into the end and the timing got screwy. Shawn Michaels' pants also detracted a bit. Some people criticized that match because they "wasted too much time" brawling to kill time. I mean, yeah, they probably did that. But HHH and The Rock were rivals billed as equals -- one of them getting a quick fall that early doesn't play into that. It'd take them at least that long to get a pinfall in a regular match. I kind of hate it sometimes in Ironman/2-out-of-3 matches when people get a real quick pinfall. But it also sort of makes sense because you still have 50+ minutes to make up a fall. Why expend your energy that early in order to kick out of a 3? Also, the face overwhelmingly always gets the first fall. That's just a great crowd pop and is also like a "hot opening match on show that a face wins" but in a single match. I'm sure there has to be an Ironman where the heel cheated to get an early first fall but it's almost always first. The Rock got the first pin in this via a Rock Bottom.I also liked this one because The Rock is playing catchup most of the match. He was an overwhelming fan favorite. It's like in the NCAA tournament or a football game with teams you're not a diehard fan of -- rooting for a big comeback is human nature. And in wrestling, you also have the added bonus that HHH got the advantage via nefarious means. He used a chair (got DQ'd out of it that evened the match) but stole two falls to put him up two. That also ties into the whole "Cerebral Assassin" thing with HHH just outsmarting everyone.

Listening to that Jason Isbell album and it is amazing. Great roadtrip by yourself album.

Oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit

But would Vader agree to lay down and do the job for the Boss? After a ref bump, the Boss is down and about to eat a Vader Bomb when Jon Landeau, potentially the greatest Heel Manager ever, waves out the Big Man. As those two Titans do battle, Bruce rolls out and reaches underneath the ring and pulls out....a mike stand! Thundercrack!!!! An unconcious Vader is easy prey for a Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out and the pin.

Most of the Gamera skits are great.

I caught the second half of the Stillian Petrov charity match earlier. Parkhead was packed and it was all pretty emotional. Entertaining enough with some great moments. Larsson could probably still get a game for Celtic, and I marked out a bit for Lubomir Moravcik. Anyway this after the final whistle put a lump in my throat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKEbEjrXIhs

Ryback has found his zone. I could watch him as "Yeah! The Big Guy!" for years. It could be easy to swing him from heel to face every now and then by just having "The Big Guy" attack the right of wrong people. You never have to explan why. All motivation and reasoning are already contained in the sentence: "Yeah! The Big Guy!!!"

Like, in the dog, when no one's watching ... or does this mean something else that I'm not aware of?This guy was trying to use British slang. But just one wrong word changed the whole dynamic of that sentence. Just like when old people try to use younger people's lingo ("I made a new friend on the facebook")Irony is taking the mick would have been much funnier.

The wife and I had a great time at my cousin's wedding, and she even smuggled me out a couple of Sam Adams pint glasses. With what the reception must have cost my uncle, the place could afford to give me a couple of glasses!

They prob all pale to Flair's return in Greenville on Nitro.

Good god this thread. I'm with Jae. This extra crap is for those who want to find it, but has/had nothing to do with the enjoyment of watching or attending a CHIKARA show. If you don't like CHIKARA, fine, but I seriously doubt if you get the extra crap would change your opinion.

Professional wrestling is it's own sub-culture with its own rules and continuity that for a vast vast majority of people that watch, they buy into or "suspend belief" to participate in as fans. Pro wrestling is its own "alternative reality game". I think that if Chikara is going the route of LARP, they are simply limiting their appeal to people that are interested in both pro wrestling, and RPG. Look at it this way: How many of the folks that occasionally pop on Raw and enjoy a couple of beers would even think of watching Chikara to begin with? Now, how many of those guys are gonna read a 78-page thesis about Archibald Peck then check out a Chikara show? Hell, how many of the people that attend Chikara shows (or buy DVDs) are willing to read that 79-page thesis? It is like the opposite of "selling out" - instead of diluting el producto to become more appealing to the mainstream, Chikara is becoming more obscure... which will drive some fans away while giving others giant boners. It is similar to how if you have an indy that runs the occasional bloodbath, and that appeals to a certain loyal segment of the audience...so they turn the violence up to 11, and eventually it is non-stop blood and death matches - which just don't appeal to everyone.

Gov't Mule with Grace Potter at yesterdays LOCK'N Festival

Klose just tied Gerd Muller's international scoring record.

Joint pain

This is the track that got me into this band. You will believe a soul band can cover some motherfuckin' Wilco.